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"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
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>
>
> osote@techie.com wrote:
> > "Brad" <brad@arcadiapc.remove.com> wrote in message
> > news:n9cY9.7719$QV3.1426687@news2.west.cox.net...
> >
> >>http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0124pregnant24.html
> >>
> >>People shouldn't be getting fired for having kids. Especially at $8 per
> >>hour. Please call Berge Ford and let them know that this is not
> >
> > acceptable!
> >
> >>Phone 888-744-9315
> >>Email internetsales@bergeford.com
> >>Fax 480-497-7525
> >>Service: 480-497-7600
> >
> >
> > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
from a
> > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she succesfully
> > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
some
> > land and started her own business with the money.  When will employers
ever
> > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
daycare
> > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all of
which
> > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
bringing
> > this to our attention.
> >
> >
> These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.

What is that supposed to mean?

 > > >
> > > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
> from a
> > > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
succesfully
> > > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
> some
> > > land and started her own business with the money.  When will employers
> ever
> > > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
> daycare
> > > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all of
> which
> > > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
> bringing
> > > this to our attention.
> > >
> > >
> > These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>
> What is that supposed to mean?
>
> Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
unions to get a job.
Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why people
with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour. Think of job
seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
salary history). Low bid wins!
    You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO ARIZONA..........DALE

"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>  > > >
> > > > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
> > from a
> > > > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
> succesfully
> > > > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
> > some
> > > > land and started her own business with the money.  When will
employers
> > ever
> > > > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
> > daycare
> > > > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
of
> > which
> > > > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
> > bringing
> > > > this to our attention.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
> >
> > What is that supposed to mean?
> >
> > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
> unions to get a job.
> Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
> clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
people
> with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour. Think of job
> seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> salary history). Low bid wins!
>     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
ARIZONA..........DALE

Oh my gawd, that is horrible.  Well, I would never live there anyway because
in my opinion bugs ain't supposed to have hair. ;-)

osote@techie.com wrote:
> "John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E32389B.1040001@theboys.mx...
> 
>>
>>osote@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>>"Brad" <brad@arcadiapc.remove.com> wrote in message
>>>news:n9cY9.7719$QV3.1426687@news2.west.cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0124pregnant24.html
>>>>
>>>>People shouldn't be getting fired for having kids. Especially at $8 per
>>>>hour. Please call Berge Ford and let them know that this is not
>>>
>>>acceptable!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Phone 888-744-9315
>>>>Email internetsales@bergeford.com
>>>>Fax 480-497-7525
>>>>Service: 480-497-7600
>>>
>>>
>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
>>
> from a
> 
>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she succesfully
>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
>>
> some
> 
>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will employers
>>
> ever
> 
>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>
> daycare
> 
>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all of
>>
> which
> 
>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>
> bringing
> 
>>>this to our attention.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
> 
> 
> What is that supposed to mean?
> 
Sarcasm. It means that in a job without union representation you don't 
have strength in
numbers. You are on your own and can only pay for legal help and only 
win if you can prove a flagrant violation of the law.

Dale wrote:
>  > > >
> 
>>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
>>>
>>from a
>>
>>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
>>>
> succesfully
> 
>>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
>>>
>>some
>>
>>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will employers
>>>
>>ever
>>
>>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>>
>>daycare
>>
>>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all of
>>>
>>which
>>
>>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>>
>>bringing
>>
>>>>this to our attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>>
>>What is that supposed to mean?
>>
>>Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
> 
> unions to get a job.
> Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
> clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why people
> with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour. Think of job
> seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> salary history). Low bid wins!
>     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO ARIZONA..........DALE
> 
> Well stated. 

osote@techie.com wrote:
> "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> 
>> > > >
>>
>>>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
>>>>
>>>from a
>>>
>>>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
>>>>
>>succesfully
>>
>>>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
>>>>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will
>>>>
> employers
> 
>>>ever
>>>
>>>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>>>
>>>daycare
>>>
>>>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
>>>>
> of
> 
>>>which
>>>
>>>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>>>
>>>bringing
>>>
>>>>>this to our attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>>>
>>>What is that supposed to mean?
>>>
>>>Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
>>
>>unions to get a job.
>>Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
>>clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> 
> people
> 
>>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour. Think of job
>>seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
>>salary history). Low bid wins!
>>    You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
>>wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> 
> ARIZONA..........DALE
> 
> Oh my gawd, that is horrible.  Well, I would never live there anyway because
> in my opinion bugs ain't supposed to have hair. ;-)

Actually we're not as provincial as we used to be. People are starting 
to drink
mixed drinks and cocktails. There are a couple stores that sell fresh 
seafood. We have Seattle and Starbucks coffee bars, and Eistein bagels. 
People are friendlier because we have concealed weapons permits.
It takes three years to find a decent job. If you come here and 
immediately find a good job, odds are you'll be fired soon.

"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
>
>  > > >
> > > > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
> > from a
> > > > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
> succesfully
> > > > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
> > some
> > > > land and started her own business with the money.  When will
employers
> > ever
> > > > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
> > daycare
> > > > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
of
> > which
> > > > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
> > bringing
> > > > this to our attention.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
> >
> > What is that supposed to mean?
> >
> > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
> unions to get a job.
> Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
> clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
people
> with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.

Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.


> Think of job
> seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> salary history). Low bid wins!

So what.


>     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
ARIZONA..........DALE

Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the union.......the
fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages beyond
what thew market bears.


>
>

"Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> >
> >  > > >
> > > > > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got
fired
> > > from a
> > > > > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
> > succesfully
> > > > > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house
and
> > > some
> > > > > land and started her own business with the money.  When will
> employers
> > > ever
> > > > > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
> > > daycare
> > > > > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
> of
> > > which
> > > > > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
> > > bringing
> > > > > this to our attention.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
> > >
> > > What is that supposed to mean?
> > >
> > > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
> > unions to get a job.
> > Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have
a
> > clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> people
> > with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
>
> Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
>

IT DOESN'T???? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;)

Christine

>
> > Think of job
> > seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> > salary history). Low bid wins!
>
> So what.
>
>
> >     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> > wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> ARIZONA..........DALE
>
> Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
union.......the
> fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages beyond
> what thew market bears.
>
>
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> 
>> > > >
>>
>>>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
>>>>
>>>from a
>>>
>>>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
>>>>
>>succesfully
>>
>>>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
>>>>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will
>>>>
> employers
> 
>>>ever
>>>
>>>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>>>
>>>daycare
>>>
>>>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
>>>>
> of
> 
>>>which
>>>
>>>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>>>
>>>bringing
>>>
>>>>>this to our attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>>>
>>>What is that supposed to mean?
>>>
>>>Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
>>
>>unions to get a job.
>>Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
>>clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> 
> people
> 
>>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> 
> 
> Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> 
> 
> 
>>Think of job
>>seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
>>salary history). Low bid wins!
> 
> 
> So what.
> 
> 
> 
>>    You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
>>wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> 
> ARIZONA..........DALE
> 
> Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the union.......the
> fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages beyond
> what thew market bears.
> 
Most people in Arizona who have no knowledge of labor relations or 
contracts think
much as you do. What you do think you know is not germain to labor 
relations.

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> 
>> > > >
>>
>>>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got fired
>>>>
>>>from a
>>>
>>>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
>>>>
>>succesfully
>>
>>>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house and
>>>>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will
>>>>
> employers
> 
>>>ever
>>>
>>>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>>>
>>>daycare
>>>
>>>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
>>>>
> of
> 
>>>which
>>>
>>>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>>>
>>>bringing
>>>
>>>>>this to our attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>>>
>>>What is that supposed to mean?
>>>
>>>Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
>>
>>unions to get a job.
>>Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have a
>>clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> 
> people
> 
>>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> 
> 
> Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> 

Obviously you don't have an advanced degree in labor relations. A 
Masters Degree entitles many things.

"Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> >
> >  > > >
> > > > > Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got
fired
> > > from a
> > > > > weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
> > succesfully
> > > > > sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house
and
> > > some
> > > > > land and started her own business with the money.  When will
> employers
> > > ever
> > > > > learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
> > > daycare
> > > > > availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
> of
> > > which
> > > > > are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
> > > bringing
> > > > > this to our attention.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
> > >
> > > What is that supposed to mean?
> > >
> > > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
> > unions to get a job.
> > Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have
a
> > clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> people
> > with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
>
> 1)...Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin
masters
> degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
>
>
> > Think of job
> > seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> > salary history). Low bid wins!
>
>2)... So what.
>
>
> >     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> > wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> ARIZONA..........DALE
>
> 3)...Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
union.......the
> fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages beyond
> what thew market bears.
>
>
> >1) I understand the concepts of free enterprise, and its relationship to
employees.
Arizona is a great place to work, once you remember the magic phrase, "want
fries with that?" And yes, a "frikkkin" master degree entitles you to
something.

     2)So what?  My past payrates have absolutly nothing to do with applying
for a job. I also consider this to be private information. Often these
employers will find they get what they pay for. If you choose to think "less
is more" more power to you. ( or less as THAT seems to make you happy) You
get what you pay for IF you are lucky.

     3)Why join this union? They right to strike is gone and the union
cannot afford to help you. In Az, a union is REQUIRED to assist anyone, who
asks for help, even if they are NOT members. This is a great way to keep
unions from having any real power or even the money to fight for you.

        Summation: I am NOT  as PRO-union as one would think. Unions have
their problems too. But the way business is done in Az, I wonder if regular
unions might be better. The right to work, as a phrase, sounds great. But
the reality is less than perfect. No one is crying abuse, cept the Lady who
was fired for being pregnant.
And I for one agree that she was abused!

                                   Just my 2 cents!       DALE


> >
>
>

"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
news:3E333BFA.9080907@theboys.mx...
>
>
> > >>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> >
> >
> > Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> > degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Think of job
> >>seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
> >>salary history). Low bid wins!
> >
> >
> > So what.
> >
> >
> >
> >>    You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
> >>wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> >
> > ARIZONA..........DALE
> >
> > Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
union.......the
> > fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages
beyond
> > what thew market bears.
> >
> Most people in Arizona who have no knowledge of labor relations or
> contracts think
> much as you do. What you do think you know is not germain to labor
> relations.
>

More horseshit......but not surprising from someone as limited as you.



>

"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
news:3E333C81.9050807@theboys.mx...
>
>

> >>unions to get a job.
> >>Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have
a
> >>clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> >
> > people
> >
> >>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> >
> >
> > Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> > degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> >
>
> Obviously you don't have an advanced degree in labor relations. A
> Masters Degree entitles many things.
>

Are you as clueless as you are making yourself out to be????

 > > >1) I understand the concepts of free enterprise, and its relationship
to
> employees.
> Arizona is a great place to work, once you remember the magic phrase,
"want
> fries with that?" And yes, a "frikkkin" master degree entitles you to
> something.
>
>      2)So what?  My past payrates have absolutly nothing to do with
applying
> for a job. I also consider this to be private information. Often these
> employers will find they get what they pay for. If you choose to think
"less
> is more" more power to you. ( or less as THAT seems to make you happy) You
> get what you pay for IF you are lucky.
>
>      3)Why join this union? They right to strike is gone and the union
> cannot afford to help you. In Az, a union is REQUIRED to assist anyone,
who
> asks for help, even if they are NOT members. This is a great way to keep
> unions from having any real power or even the money to fight for you.
>
>         Summation: I am NOT  as PRO-union as one would think. Unions have
> their problems too. But the way business is done in Az, I wonder if
regular
> unions might be better. The right to work, as a phrase, sounds great. But
> the reality is less than perfect. No one is crying abuse, cept the Lady
who
> was fired for being pregnant.
> And I for one agree that she was abused!
>
>                                    Just my 2 cents!       DALE
>
>
> > >
> >I can see this is a dead horse, So I have no further comments on this
matter.
          "Stupid is as stupid does!"  F. Gump
> >
>
>

"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
news:iONY9.19329$QV3.2698009@news2.west.cox.net...
>
> "> > 1)...Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin
> masters
> > degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> >
> >
> > > Think of job
> > > seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume
(WITH
> > > salary history). Low bid wins!
> >
> >2)... So what.
> >
> >
> > >     You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a
fair
> > > wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
> > ARIZONA..........DALE
> >
> > 3)...Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
> union.......the
> > fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages
beyond
> > what thew market bears.
> >
> >
> > >1) I understand the concepts of free enterprise, and its relationship
to
> employees.
> Arizona is a great place to work, once you remember the magic phrase,
"want
> fries with that?" And yes, a "frikkkin" master degree entitles you to
> something.

A degree entitles you to nothing except the paper you hang on the wall.


>
>      2)So what?  My past payrates have absolutly nothing to do with
applying
> for a job. I also consider this to be private information

Feel free not to supply it, and employers are free to call or not call you.
Free hint for the clueless.....time is valuable, why would anybody want to
waste time interviewing someone that currently makes 20k more than they are
prepared to pay for the position.

>Often these
> employers will find they get what they pay for.

Not always true....since guvmint continues to artificially raise wages via
the minimum wage.

>If you choose to think "less
> is more" more power to you. ( or less as THAT seems to make you happy) You
> get what you pay for IF you are lucky.

See above.


>
>      3)Why join this union? They right to strike is gone and the union
> cannot afford to help you. In Az, a union is REQUIRED to assist anyone,
who
> asks for help, even if they are NOT members. This is a great way to keep
> unions from having any real power or even the money to fight for you.

<snicker>    if that is what you believe.



>
>         Summation: I am NOT  as PRO-union as one would think. Unions have
> their problems too. But the way business is done in Az, I wonder if
regular
> unions might be better. The right to work, as a phrase, sounds great. But
> the reality is less than perfect. No one is crying abuse, cept the Lady
who
> was fired for being pregnant.

AS someone else posted......that is her side of the story.............the
newspapers always carry the sob stories yet the truth of the matter is often
something quite different/

> And I for one agree that she was abused!
>
>                                    Just my 2 cents!       DALE
>
>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

"CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
> news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
>

<snip>

> > > > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join
any
> > > unions to get a job.
> > > Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers
have
> a
> > > clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
> > people
> > > with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> >
> > Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
> > degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> >
>
> IT DOESN'T???? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;)
>

LOL........somehow, I have the feeling you won't have to worry too much
:-)



> Christine
>
> >

"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
news:3E333C81.9050807@theboys.mx...
>> Obviously you don't have an advanced degree in labor relations. A
> Masters Degree entitles many things.

Oh reeeeaaaaallllly? Do tell...

Kathryn, A.B., M.A., Ph.D., pricks up her ears!

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E333BFA.9080907@theboys.mx...
> 
>>
>>>>>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin masters
>>>degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Think of job
>>>>seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
>>>>salary history). Low bid wins!
>>>
>>>
>>>So what.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
>>>>wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
>>>
>>>ARIZONA..........DALE
>>>
>>>Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
>>
> union.......the
> 
>>>fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages
>>
> beyond
> 
>>>what thew market bears.
>>>
>>
>>Most people in Arizona who have no knowledge of labor relations or
>>contracts think
>>much as you do. What you do think you know is not germain to labor
>>relations.
>>
> 
> 
> More horseshit......but not surprising from someone as limited as you.
> 
Actually, I am educated beyond my intelligence.
Labor relations was brought about by the passing of the Management
Rights Act, or Labor Relations Act,etc. It allowed collectibe 
bargaining, with exceptions for certain professions or trades, ie, farm 
workers, doctors and nurses. If a majority of workers are polled and 
want a union, they vote for which union. It has to be a union 
representative of the trade. For example, truckers = a teamsters union. 
Shoemakers, a union familiar with boot or shoe manufacture and factory 
workers.
When the union chapter is formed, it is only of those workers who fit in 
a like union. Factory maintenance or electricians would need a separate 
union than the bootmakers. Once established, the union leaders and 
management are REQUIRED to negotiate on three things: Hours, Wages, and 
Benefits, no more, no less. The contract is negotiated and agreed by 
management and ratified by the union workers, and signed. All contracts 
contain an anti strike clause. During the contract strikes are not 
allowed. Each party agrees to meet several months before the end of the 
contract expiration to renew or renegotiate. If management or union let 
the date of expiration slip by, and both parties agree,  the old 
contract is usually good for another contract period. If eather side is 
acting in bad faith, there could be a strike or lockout. A strike 
without union approval is a wildcat strike.
In contract negotiations, either side may attempt to add or subtract 
something other than hours, wages, or benefits. For example, labor may 
want covered parking spaces or better washroom facilities. Management 
may want to require car pooling, or require people to eat lunch on the 
premises. If anything is added to the contract it is required to be 
negotiated in each subsequent contract negotiations.
The problem is that depending on the demographics of the union, they may
negotiate away one item for a consession on another. Maybe give away 
dental benefits for higher wages. Maybe give away part of a raise to 
gain 401k contributions.
Management may agree to build a lunchroom to keep from increasing the 
starting wage of new employees.
When management tries to take advantage of employees, or break the 
contract, the union as a unit, with the financial resources of all the 
workers dues, and assistance from the national union will attempt to set 
things right. It could be settled by management, go to a federal 
mediator, or a federal arbitrator, who are federal judges per se. This 
gets expensive for both sides.
Anything that is not covered in a union contract that would violate law 
or the Labor Act, could be an Unfair Labor Practice, filed with the 
Labor Relations Board., and may be filed by the union, or any individual 
employee not in a union, or where no union is present.
This is where Berge Ford Allegedly screwed up. They may have violated 
federal law. Oops.

drlith wrote:
> "John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E333C81.9050807@theboys.mx...
> 
>>>Obviously you don't have an advanced degree in labor relations. A
>>
>>Masters Degree entitles many things.
> 
> 
> Oh reeeeaaaaallllly? Do tell...
> 
> Kathryn, A.B., M.A., Ph.D., pricks up her ears!
> 
> 
Really.

Dale wrote:
> "Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
> news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
> 
>>"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
>>
>>> > > >
>>>
>>>>>>Ooooh, Berge Ford is in trouble.... Yeah, a friend of mine got
>>>>>
> fired
> 
>>>>from a
>>>>
>>>>>>weight loss place she worked at for getting pregnant and she
>>>>>
>>>succesfully
>>>
>>>>>>sued them.  I don't know how much she got but she bought a house
>>>>>
> and
> 
>>>>some
>>>>
>>>>>>land and started her own business with the money.  When will
>>>>>
>>employers
>>
>>>>ever
>>>>
>>>>>>learn?  I've had potential employers ask me about my fertility and
>>>>>
>>>>daycare
>>>>
>>>>>>availablility for my child and whether I planned to have more, all
>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>>>which
>>>>
>>>>>>are illegal to ask.  I think I'll give them an email, thanks for
>>>>>
>>>>bringing
>>>>
>>>>>>this to our attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>These are the joys of a "Right To Work" state.
>>>>
>>>>What is that supposed to mean?
>>>>
>>>>Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to join any
>>>
>>>unions to get a job.
>>>Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and employers have
>>
> a
> 
>>>clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is also why
>>
>>people
>>
>>>with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
>>
>>1)...Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin
> 
> masters
> 
>>degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Think of job
>>>seeking here as an auction in reverse. You are asked for a resume (WITH
>>>salary history). Low bid wins!
>>
>>2)... So what.
>>
>>
>>
>>>    You have a right to work in Az, but at the cost of a right to a fair
>>>wage, and the representation a union gives. WELCOME TO
>>
>>ARIZONA..........DALE
>>
>>3)...Bull, if people were so abused, then they would all join the
> 
> union.......the
> 
>>fact is they aren't and the unions cannot artificially raise wages beyond
>>what thew market bears.
>>
>>
>>
>>>1) I understand the concepts of free enterprise, and its relationship to
>>
> employees.
> Arizona is a great place to work, once you remember the magic phrase, "want
> fries with that?" And yes, a "frikkkin" master degree entitles you to
> something.
> 
>      2)So what?  My past payrates have absolutly nothing to do with applying
> for a job. I also consider this to be private information. Often these
> employers will find they get what they pay for. If you choose to think "less
> is more" more power to you. ( or less as THAT seems to make you happy) You
> get what you pay for IF you are lucky.
> 
>      3)Why join this union? They right to strike is gone and the union
> cannot afford to help you. In Az, a union is REQUIRED to assist anyone, who
> asks for help, even if they are NOT members. This is a great way to keep
> unions from having any real power or even the money to fight for you.
> 
>         Summation: I am NOT  as PRO-union as one would think. Unions have
> their problems too. But the way business is done in Az, I wonder if regular
> unions might be better. The right to work, as a phrase, sounds great. But
> the reality is less than perfect. No one is crying abuse, cept the Lady who
> was fired for being pregnant.
> And I for one agree that she was abused!
> 
>                                    Just my 2 cents!       DALE
> 
A masters degree at the least, permits a person to teach at the college 
level.
Seldom will a University or College higher anyone with a masters degree. 
  Education beyond a masters will increase a teacher's salary. Let's put 
that aside for a minute. You may be highly qualified and earn much more 
with experience and no advanced degree. People with degrees do get 
defensive.

Right to strike. Most contracts have a no strike clause, but strikes are 
quite
possible after contract expiration. All contracts to be legal, must have a
an expiration date.
Unions are required to help people to the extent it doesnt cost money. 
Once an attorney is required for the employee, or it goes to mediation 
and an outside mediator or arbitrator is needed, the employee must foot 
the bill if they are not union members. Almost all will join the union 
at that point. If the person doesn't join and proceeds, they better be 
wealthy, and management will take it to that level, knowing the employee 
will have to give up.
Lots of people cry abuse, which is why unions work, and state and 
federal investigators are kept busy.
Any individual in his/her own business works with a contract. That is 
from the solo roofer to Rush Limbaugh and Larry King. Rush decries 
unions, but he has a contract, and you can bet it's negotiated by 
attorneys, and his earnings increase each period. It's the same with 
common workers. They don't have an international presence or fan club, 
so they bond together for mutual job security.
People point to Detroit, and say that the wages of the workers reached a 
point of putting them out of work. This is probably true, when measured 
against the cost of labor to build a Ford in Mexico or South America.
But... this occurred when prices of cars was half of what they cost now.

"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
news:3E34D026.3010305@theboys.mx...
>
>
> Paul Fritz wrote:
> > "John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > news:3E342721.9010409@theboys.mx...
> >
> >>
> >>Dale wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>A masters degree at the least, permits a person to teach at the college
> >>level.
> >
> >
> > So where is the entitlement?
> >
> >
> >>Seldom will a University or College higher anyone with a masters degree.
> >>  Education beyond a masters will increase a teacher's salary.
> >
> >
> > It may, but it is not an entitlement
> >
> >
> >>Let's put
> >>that aside for a minute. You may be highly qualified and earn much more
> >>with experience and no advanced degree. People with degrees do get
> >>defensive.
> >
> >
> > Maybe because some people with degrees think they have been granted an
> > entitlement.
> >
> >
> >>Right to strike. Most contracts have a no strike clause, but strikes are
> >>quite
> >>possible after contract expiration. All contracts to be legal, must have
a
> >>an expiration date.
> >>Unions are required to help people to the extent it doesnt cost money.
> >>Once an attorney is required for the employee, or it goes to mediation
> >>and an outside mediator or arbitrator is needed, the employee must foot
> >>the bill if they are not union members. Almost all will join the union
> >>at that point. If the person doesn't join and proceeds, they better be
> >>wealthy, and management will take it to that level, knowing the employee
> >>will have to give up.
> >>Lots of people cry abuse, which is why unions work, and state and
> >>federal investigators are kept busy.
> >>Any individual in his/her own business works with a contract. That is
> >>from the solo roofer to Rush Limbaugh and Larry King. Rush decries
> >>unions, but he has a contract, and you can bet it's negotiated by
> >>attorneys, and his earnings increase each period. It's the same with
> >>common workers. They don't have an international presence or fan club,
> >>so they bond together for mutual job security.
> >>People point to Detroit, and say that the wages of the workers reached a
> >>point of putting them out of work. This is probably true, when measured
> >>against the cost of labor to build a Ford in Mexico or South America.
> >>But... this occurred when prices of cars was half of what they cost now.
> >
> >
> > All meaningless babble.........and certainly not related much from point
to
> > point.
> >
> > You have yet to refute that unions artificially increase the cost of
> > labor.........your ramblings about contracts of individuals has no
bearing
> > on that  Contracts of individuals and the payments for them are based on
the
> > value of the work being performed and the return on the investment
balanced
> > against the ability of the contracting entity to replace the contractee
with
> > another at a lower cost.  Unions prevent that from happening, even when
> > there is an availbile workforce willing to provide that labor at a lower
> > cost and the expiration of the contract.
> >
> You really need to go to a seminar at least. I give you a synopsis of LR
> 101 and you
> can't grasp it. Are you an illegal alien who wants to be president of
> General Motors? The cost of labor is the cost of labor. Unions attempt
> to protect their members from being replaced by lower wage employees.
> I'll do short sentances for you. You are a A/C installer. You write a
> contract to install A/C at a business. It will take 2 weeks. You write a
> sales contract. After one week on the job, another A/C contractor
> appears at the business. The business owner fires you and hires the
> other A/C guy to finish the job because he said he would do it cheaper.
> He also says you can eat your expenses and wages. You say you have a
> contract. Get the idea? You have to have recourse to protect your job.
> If workers with a contract can be fired at will, so should anyone with a
> contract right? Wrong. Contracts are legally binding on both parties.

Actually you are the one that needs the seminar......since you seem to be so
dense......Contract ends......the contracted labor walks out, do they allow
the former employer to operate peaceful as is the former employer's right?
Hell no......We' won't even start on strikes during a contract.

Now lets use your A/C example........the difference being the guy is dumped
because of incompetence, theft, not performing the work on time etc etc.
He then blockades the business and prevents it from operating..and the
guvmint backs them up........I know all about unions,

BTW...thank you for proving my point....your comment that unions attempt to
protect its members from being replaced by lower wage  employees is exactly
artificially increasing the cost of labor.    What is the moral difference
of all the supermarkets getting together and setting the price of milk at
$10.00 a gallon......the brain dead unionists would be the first to pitch a
fit.

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E34D026.3010305@theboys.mx...
> 
>>
>>Paul Fritz wrote:
>>
>>>"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
>>>news:3E342721.9010409@theboys.mx...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>A masters degree at the least, permits a person to teach at the college
>>>>level.
>>>
>>>
>>>So where is the entitlement?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Seldom will a University or College higher anyone with a masters degree.
>>>> Education beyond a masters will increase a teacher's salary.
>>>
>>>
>>>It may, but it is not an entitlement
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Let's put
>>>>that aside for a minute. You may be highly qualified and earn much more
>>>>with experience and no advanced degree. People with degrees do get
>>>>defensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe because some people with degrees think they have been granted an
>>>entitlement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Right to strike. Most contracts have a no strike clause, but strikes are
>>>>quite
>>>>possible after contract expiration. All contracts to be legal, must have
>>>
> a
> 
>>>>an expiration date.
>>>>Unions are required to help people to the extent it doesnt cost money.
>>>>Once an attorney is required for the employee, or it goes to mediation
>>>>and an outside mediator or arbitrator is needed, the employee must foot
>>>>the bill if they are not union members. Almost all will join the union
>>>>at that point. If the person doesn't join and proceeds, they better be
>>>>wealthy, and management will take it to that level, knowing the employee
>>>>will have to give up.
>>>>Lots of people cry abuse, which is why unions work, and state and
>>>>federal investigators are kept busy.
>>>>Any individual in his/her own business works with a contract. That is
>>>
>>>>from the solo roofer to Rush Limbaugh and Larry King. Rush decries
>>>
>>>>unions, but he has a contract, and you can bet it's negotiated by
>>>>attorneys, and his earnings increase each period. It's the same with
>>>>common workers. They don't have an international presence or fan club,
>>>>so they bond together for mutual job security.
>>>>People point to Detroit, and say that the wages of the workers reached a
>>>>point of putting them out of work. This is probably true, when measured
>>>>against the cost of labor to build a Ford in Mexico or South America.
>>>>But... this occurred when prices of cars was half of what they cost now.
>>>
>>>
>>>All meaningless babble.........and certainly not related much from point
>>
> to
> 
>>>point.
>>>
>>>You have yet to refute that unions artificially increase the cost of
>>>labor.........your ramblings about contracts of individuals has no
>>
> bearing
> 
>>>on that  Contracts of individuals and the payments for them are based on
>>
> the
> 
>>>value of the work being performed and the return on the investment
>>
> balanced
> 
>>>against the ability of the contracting entity to replace the contractee
>>
> with
> 
>>>another at a lower cost.  Unions prevent that from happening, even when
>>>there is an availbile workforce willing to provide that labor at a lower
>>>cost and the expiration of the contract.
>>>
>>
>>You really need to go to a seminar at least. I give you a synopsis of LR
>>101 and you
>>can't grasp it. Are you an illegal alien who wants to be president of
>>General Motors? The cost of labor is the cost of labor. Unions attempt
>>to protect their members from being replaced by lower wage employees.
>>I'll do short sentances for you. You are a A/C installer. You write a
>>contract to install A/C at a business. It will take 2 weeks. You write a
>>sales contract. After one week on the job, another A/C contractor
>>appears at the business. The business owner fires you and hires the
>>other A/C guy to finish the job because he said he would do it cheaper.
>>He also says you can eat your expenses and wages. You say you have a
>>contract. Get the idea? You have to have recourse to protect your job.
>>If workers with a contract can be fired at will, so should anyone with a
>>contract right? Wrong. Contracts are legally binding on both parties.
> 
> 
> Actually you are the one that needs the seminar......since you seem to be so
> dense......Contract ends......the contracted labor walks out, do they allow
> the former employer to operate peaceful as is the former employer's right?
> Hell no......We' won't even start on strikes during a contract.
> 
I said that. I suppose I could have used smaller words.

> Now lets use your A/C example........the difference being the guy is dumped
> because of incompetence, theft, not performing the work on time etc etc.
> He then blockades the business and prevents it from operating..and the
> guvmint backs them up........I know all about unions,
> 
No, I said he was fired because the business owner found someone 
cheaper. He cannot blockade the business but he can sue for the contract 
amount.

> BTW...thank you for proving my point....your comment that unions attempt to
> protect its members from being replaced by lower wage  employees is exactly
> artificially increasing the cost of labor. 
No it is not artificial. It is real wage. It is not more money but it is 
not less. The employee also does not have the right to tell managemet 
what product to make or how much to charge. they have no idea of the 
profit or loss.
    What is the moral difference
> of all the supermarkets getting together and setting the price of milk at
> $10.00 a gallon......the brain dead unionists would be the first to pitch a
> fit.
> 

price fixing is illegal. Negotiating for hours, wages and benefits is 
set forth in federal law. The brain dead unionist are the reason you 
only have to work 8 hours a day, and have Saturday and Sunday off, a 40 
hour work week and paid holidays. The unionists are also responsible for 
  getting you hospital benefits, death benefits and retirement. Do you 
think this was all gained by people who kiss management on the cheek? 
The people who have these benefits, won through labor negotiations over 
the years, and denounce organized labor are freeloaders, or scabs as 
they are commonly known. In fact, federal law has allowed unions to 
refer to these freeloaders as scabs as a proper name.

"Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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>
> "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u4WY9.12761$dd1.497951@news0.telusplanet.net...
> >
> > "Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
> > news:v38008rcl3qieb@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:sQGY9.14528$c41.544325@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:v36dkn8odklabc@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dale" <bassman118@cox.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:bOyY9.14968$QV3.2082182@news2.west.cox.net...
> > > >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > > > Arizonas a "right to work" state as you can NOT be forced to
> join
> > > any
> > > > > > unions to get a job.
> > > > > > Thus: the unions remain powerless, wages remain low, and
employers
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > clear cut upper hand in any dealings with employees. This is
also
> > why
> > > > > people
> > > > > > with Masters degrees are working as clerks @ $8 per hour.
> > > > >
> > > > > Horseshit........it is called supply and demand.    A frikkkin
> masters
> > > > > degree does not enitlte oneself to any given income.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > IT DOESN'T???? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ;)
> > > >
> > >
> > > LOL........somehow, I have the feeling you won't have to worry too
much
> > > :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Was that a compliment???  OMG I'm floored. ;)
>
> Why, people that are self assured invariably  land on their
> feet......regardless of their politics.  People that are always looking to
> blame others for their own faults are the ones that end up on the outside
> looking in.
>
>

Well I've never been one to point the finger, I take my knocks and move
on... (or in some cases, fight back, tooth and nail. lol)

Christine

"John" <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
news:3E35D953.1040708@theboys.mx...
>
> > >>
> >>You really need to go to a seminar at least. I give you a synopsis of LR
> >>101 and you
> >>can't grasp it. Are you an illegal alien who wants to be president of
> >>General Motors? The cost of labor is the cost of labor. Unions attempt
> >>to protect their members from being replaced by lower wage employees.
> >>I'll do short sentances for you. You are a A/C installer. You write a
> >>contract to install A/C at a business. It will take 2 weeks. You write a
> >>sales contract. After one week on the job, another A/C contractor
> >>appears at the business. The business owner fires you and hires the
> >>other A/C guy to finish the job because he said he would do it cheaper.
> >>He also says you can eat your expenses and wages. You say you have a
> >>contract. Get the idea? You have to have recourse to protect your job.
> >>If workers with a contract can be fired at will, so should anyone with a
> >>contract right? Wrong. Contracts are legally binding on both parties.
> >
> >
> > Actually you are the one that needs the seminar......since you seem to
be so
> > dense......Contract ends......the contracted labor walks out, do they
allow
> > the former employer to operate peaceful as is the former employer's
right?
> > Hell no......We' won't even start on strikes during a contract.
> >
> I said that. I suppose I could have used smaller words.
>
> > Now lets use your A/C example........the difference being the guy is
dumped
> > because of incompetence, theft, not performing the work on time etc etc.
> > He then blockades the business and prevents it from operating..and the
> > guvmint backs them up........I know all about unions,
> >
> No, I said he was fired because the business owner found someone
> cheaper. He cannot blockade the business but he can sue for the contract
> amount.


Cripes you are dense.



>
> > BTW...thank you for proving my point....your comment that unions attempt
to
> > protect its members from being replaced by lower wage  employees is
exactly
> > artificially increasing the cost of labor.
> No it is not artificial. It is real wage.

More proof that you are clueless.  Economics isn't your strong point either

> It is not more money but it is
> not less. The employee also does not have the right to tell managemet
> what product to make or how much to charge. they have no idea of the
> profit or loss.
>     What is the moral difference
> > of all the supermarkets getting together and setting the price of milk
at
> > $10.00 a gallon......the brain dead unionists would be the first to
pitch a
> > fit.
> >
>
> price fixing is illegal.

Same thing that the union does about wages..( a rose by any other
name)....if you cannot see that, you are too sense to bother continuing


>Negotiating for hours, wages and benefits is
> set forth in federal law. The brain dead unionist are the reason you
> only have to work 8 hours a day, and have Saturday and Sunday off, a 40
> hour work week and paid holidays.

<snicker>   you really are clueless......take a look around sometime and see
how many "union" folks are working sat, sun  and more than 8 hours a
day......but then where your head is, the sun doesn't shine.


> The unionists are also responsible for
>   getting you hospital benefits,

Nope.....not much on history are you.?

>death benefits and retirement. Do you
> think this was all gained by people who kiss management on the cheek?
> The people who have these benefits, won through labor negotiations over
> the years, and denounce organized labor are freeloaders, or scabs as
> they are commonly known. In fact, federal law has allowed unions to
> refer to these freeloaders as scabs as a proper name.\


yawn...............

you obviously have a mental block WRT rationale thought......

so     "plonk"     aint' worth my time......waht a maroon.

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....waht a maroon.

anybody else get chills?

Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an 
underachiever.

John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
>
> Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> underachiever.
>

Who? Who?

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>
> John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
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> >
> > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > underachiever.
> >
>
> Who? Who?
>
>

<snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>  ......yeah......being
in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for some
people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
<snicker>

Maybe we should introduce him to stevey..........they both seem to like
shooting themselves in the foot.

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>
> "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > >
> > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > > underachiever.
> > >
> >
> > Who? Who?
> >
> >
>
> <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
......yeah......being
> in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for some
> people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> <snicker>
>

And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe Millionaire? lol
(And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)

Christine
> Maybe we should introduce him to stevey..........they both seem to like
> shooting themselves in the foot.
>
>

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>
> "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > >
> > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > > underachiever.
> > >
> >
> > Who? Who?
> >
> >
>
> <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
......yeah......being
> in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for some
> people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> <snicker>

and you don't want to pay more child support than the foster care system
would pay to support your kid?

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> "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > >
> > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > > > underachiever.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Who? Who?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> ......yeah......being
> > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for
some
> > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> > <snicker>
> >
>
> And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe Millionaire? lol
> (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)

One of the reasons I still am    :-)

>
> Christine
> > Maybe we should introduce him to stevey..........they both seem to like
> > shooting themselves in the foot.
> >
> >
>
>

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> 
>>John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> 
> news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> 
>>>Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
>>>underachiever.
>>>
>>
>>Who? Who?
>>
>>
> 
> 
> <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>  ......yeah......being
> in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for some
> people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> <snicker>
> 
> Maybe we should introduce him to stevey..........they both seem to like
> shooting themselves in the foot.
> 
> 
I didn't know that you were a male escort.

Paul Fritz wrote:
> "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> 
>>John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> 
> news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> 
>>>Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
>>>underachiever.
>>>
>>
>>Who? Who?
>>
>>
> 
> 
> <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>  ......yeah......being
> in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for some
> people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> <snicker>

So tell us, do you like being a male escort?

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> "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > news:v3dpm6nktsrua4@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > > >
> > > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > > > > underachiever.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Who? Who?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> > ......yeah......being
> > > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough for
> some
> > > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> > > <snicker>
> > >
> >
> > And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe Millionaire? lol
> > (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)
>
> One of the reasons I still am    :-)
>

Couldn't possibly be your sunny disposition and charming nature... ;)

Christine

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> >
> > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > news:v3dpm6nktsrua4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > > > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain an
> > > > > > underachiever.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Who? Who?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> > > ......yeah......being
> > > > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough
for
> > some
> > > > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> > > > <snicker>
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe Millionaire?
lol
> > > (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)
> >
> > One of the reasons I still am    :-)
> >
>
> Couldn't possibly be your sunny disposition and charming nature... ;)

Nope........I could have been married again at least a half dozen
times.....have had several relationships end because I was not willing to
"ask the question"




>
> Christine
>
>

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> >
> > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:v3dpm6nktsrua4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain
an
> > > > > > > underachiever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who? Who?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> > > > ......yeah......being
> > > > > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't enough
> for
> > > some
> > > > > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in Jan.)
> > > > > <snicker>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe Millionaire?
> lol
> > > > (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)
> > >
> > > One of the reasons I still am    :-)
> > >
> >
> > Couldn't possibly be your sunny disposition and charming nature... ;)
>
> Nope........I could have been married again at least a half dozen
> times.....have had several relationships end because I was not willing to
> "ask the question"
>
>

Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some women
think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong values, but
then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have premarital
sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course that's
JMO. ;)

Christine

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> > >
> > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > news:v3fnqsr53ep9a8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will remain
> an
> > > > > > > > underachiever.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who? Who?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> > > > > ......yeah......being
> > > > > > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't
enough
> > for
> > > > some
> > > > > > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in
Jan.)
> > > > > > <snicker>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe
Millionaire?
> > lol
> > > > > (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)
> > > >
> > > > One of the reasons I still am    :-)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Couldn't possibly be your sunny disposition and charming nature... ;)
> >
> > Nope........I could have been married again at least a half dozen
> > times.....have had several relationships end because I was not willing
to
> > "ask the question"
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some women
> think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong values,
but
> then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have premarital
> sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course
that's
> JMO. ;)
>

Pretty presumptuous to make the sex assumption isn't it?

Now to parse a little further......calling women "cows"  Aren't you afraid
of the rather of the feminists for that?   LOL
Then around here....the ring on the finger can make the difference......all
those Canadian women heading  north across the border in search of a green
card   ;-)   BTW.....I just bought a car without a test drive    ;-)

> Christine
>
>

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> > >
> > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:v3dpm6nktsrua4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:v3dp719u9kklab@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John <john@theboys.mx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3E36CB87.8040501@theboys.mx...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Without knowledge, you are very opinionated. You will
remain
> > an
> > > > > > > > > underachiever.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Who? Who?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snicker>    yeah I'm the under achiever   <snicker>
> > > > > > ......yeah......being
> > > > > > > in the top 5% of income earners in the country. just isn't
> enough
> > > for
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > people   <snicker>  (and that was just for the work done in
> Jan.)
> > > > > > > <snicker>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And you're still single?  Haven't you been watching Joe
> Millionaire?
> > > lol
> > > > > > (And no I haven't been, but I hear it's a laugh)
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the reasons I still am    :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Couldn't possibly be your sunny disposition and charming nature...
;)
> > >
> > > Nope........I could have been married again at least a half dozen
> > > times.....have had several relationships end because I was not willing
> to
> > > "ask the question"
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some women
> > think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong values,
> but
> > then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have
premarital
> > sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course
> that's
> > JMO. ;)
> >
>
> Pretty presumptuous to make the sex assumption isn't it?
>
> Now to parse a little further......calling women "cows"  Aren't you afraid
> of the rather of the feminists for that?   LOL
> Then around here....the ring on the finger can make the
difference......all
> those Canadian women heading  north across the border in search of a green
> card   ;-)   BTW.....I just bought a car without a test drive    ;-)
>
> > Christine
> >

LMAO  yeah you need more coffee.  Never heard the saying "Why buy the cow
when you can get the milk for free"? ;)

And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading south (oh
you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with me
today?  The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I need a
vacation)

And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test drive?
Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)

Christine

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> "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > >
> > > Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some
women
> > > think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong
values,
> > but
> > > then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have
> premarital
> > > sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course
> > that's
> > > JMO. ;)
> > >
> >
> > Pretty presumptuous to make the sex assumption isn't it?
> >
> > Now to parse a little further......calling women "cows"  Aren't you
afraid
> > of the rather of the feminists for that?   LOL
> > Then around here....the ring on the finger can make the
> difference......all
> > those Canadian women heading  north across the border in search of a
green
> > card   ;-)   BTW.....I just bought a car without a test drive    ;-)
> >
> > > Christine
> > >
>
> LMAO  yeah you need more coffee.  Never heard the saying "Why buy the cow
> when you can get the milk for free"? ;)

Yes I've heard it......I was just taking the pot shot at the P.C. crowd
:-)


>
> And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading south (oh
> you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with me
> today?

No comment  <snicker>

>The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I need a
> vacation)

Yeah, I passed on a couple too.

>
> And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test
drive?
> Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
>

Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before I get
the speeding ticket  :-)


> Christine
>
>
>

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> > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some
> women
> > > > think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong
> values,
> > > but
> > > > then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have
> > premarital
> > > > sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course
> > > that's
> > > > JMO. ;)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Pretty presumptuous to make the sex assumption isn't it?
> > >
> > > Now to parse a little further......calling women "cows"  Aren't you
> afraid
> > > of the rather of the feminists for that?   LOL
> > > Then around here....the ring on the finger can make the
> > difference......all
> > > those Canadian women heading  north across the border in search of a
> green
> > > card   ;-)   BTW.....I just bought a car without a test drive    ;-)
> > >
> > > > Christine
> > > >
> >
> > LMAO  yeah you need more coffee.  Never heard the saying "Why buy the
cow
> > when you can get the milk for free"? ;)
>
> Yes I've heard it......I was just taking the pot shot at the P.C. crowd
> :-)
>
>
> >
> > And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading south
(oh
> > you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with me
> > today?
>
> No comment  <snicker>
>
> >The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> > replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I need
a
> > vacation)
>
> Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
>
> >
> > And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test
> drive?
> > Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
> >
>
> Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before I get
> the speeding ticket  :-)
>
>
> > Christine
> >

Great choice, but bright yellow???

Christine

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> "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1rc_9.111694$Ui4.2914198@news1.telusplanet.net...
> > >
> > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > news:v3ij3er157f74c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading south
> (oh
> > > you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with
me
> > > today?
> >
> > No comment  <snicker>
> >
> > >The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> > > replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I
need
> a
> > > vacation)
> >
> > Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
> >
> > >
> > > And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test
> > drive?
> > > Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
> > >
> >
> > Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before I
get
> > the speeding ticket  :-)
> >
> >
> > > Christine
> > >
>
> Great choice, but bright yellow???
>

Well, when I was five I did want to grow up to be a yellow moo cow and eat
peanut butter and jelly grass........something my family has NEVER let me
forget  :-)

> Christine
>
>

CME wrote:
> "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> news:v3im9kc7d0la1b@corp.supernews.com...
> 
>>"CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1rc_9.111694$Ui4.2914198@news1.telusplanet.net...
>>
>>>"Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
>>>news:v3ij3er157f74c@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>>>Yeah, don't you hate when the cow asks for payment? LOL  Ah, some
>>>>
>>women
>>
>>>>>think a ring on a finger makes a difference, or they have strong
>>>>
>>values,
>>
>>>>but
>>>>
>>>>>then again if they had really strong values they wouldn't have
>>>>
>>>premarital
>>>
>>>>>sex but then who'd want to buy a car without a test drive? Of course
>>>>
>>>>that's
>>>>
>>>>>JMO. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pretty presumptuous to make the sex assumption isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>Now to parse a little further......calling women "cows"  Aren't you
>>>
>>afraid
>>
>>>>of the rather of the feminists for that?   LOL
>>>>Then around here....the ring on the finger can make the
>>>
>>>difference......all
>>>
>>>>those Canadian women heading  north across the border in search of a
>>>
>>green
>>
>>>>card   ;-)   BTW.....I just bought a car without a test drive    ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Christine
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>LMAO  yeah you need more coffee.  Never heard the saying "Why buy the
>>
> cow
> 
>>>when you can get the milk for free"? ;)
>>
>>Yes I've heard it......I was just taking the pot shot at the P.C. crowd
>>:-)
>>
>>
>>
>>>And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading south
>>
> (oh
> 
>>>you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with me
>>>today?
>>
>>No comment  <snicker>
>>
>>>The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
>>>replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I need
>>
> a
> 
>>>vacation)
>>
>>Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
>>
>>
>>>And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test
>>
>>drive?
>>
>>>Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
>>>
>>
>>Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before I get
>>the speeding ticket  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>>Christine
>>>
>>
> 
> Great choice, but bright yellow???
> 
> Christine
> 
Yellow cars are for neurotics.

Paul Fritz <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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> "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > news:v3im9kc7d0la1b@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1rc_9.111694$Ui4.2914198@news1.telusplanet.net...
> > > >
> > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:v3ij3er157f74c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading
south
> > (oh
> > > > you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong with
> me
> > > > today?
> > >
> > > No comment  <snicker>
> > >
> > > >The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> > > > replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh* I
> need
> > a
> > > > vacation)
> > >
> > > Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a test
> > > drive?
> > > > Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before I
> get
> > > the speeding ticket  :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Christine
> > > >
> >
> > Great choice, but bright yellow???
> >
>
> Well, when I was five I did want to grow up to be a yellow moo cow and eat
> peanut butter and jelly grass........something my family has NEVER let me
> forget  :-)
>
> > Christine
> >
> >
>
>

OMG.... that is sooo funny.Yellow? why a yellow cow? You must have had a
great imagination.

Tiff

"Tiffany" <tiffanyann@blazenet.net> wrote in message
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> Paul Fritz <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:59l_9.64965$c41.1733641@news2.telusplanet.net...
> > >
> > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > news:v3im9kc7d0la1b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1rc_9.111694$Ui4.2914198@news1.telusplanet.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:v3ij3er157f74c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading
> south
> > > (oh
> > > > > you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong
with
> > me
> > > > > today?
> > > >
> > > > No comment  <snicker>
> > > >
> > > > >The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> > > > > replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL  *sigh*
I
> > need
> > > a
> > > > > vacation)
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a
test
> > > > drive?
> > > > > Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now before
I
> > get
> > > > the speeding ticket  :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Christine
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Great choice, but bright yellow???
> > >
> >
> > Well, when I was five I did want to grow up to be a yellow moo cow and
eat
> > peanut butter and jelly grass........something my family has NEVER let
me
> > forget  :-)
> >
> > > Christine
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> OMG.... that is sooo funny.Yellow? why a yellow cow? You must have had a
> great imagination.
>
> Tiff
>
>

Who knows why a 5 y.o. comes up with things.  All I know is the "cow thing"
always shows up.....Christmas presents, etc.  My sister even needlepoint a
blanket for my daughter when she was born.....yeah ...yellow cows.

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> > >
> > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:v3im9kc7d0la1b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "CME" <cmedwards@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1rc_9.111694$Ui4.2914198@news1.telusplanet.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Paul Fritz" <pfritz@NOSPAMvoyager.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:v3ij3er157f74c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > And the "M" word makes my throat constrict so I won't be heading
> > south
> > > > (oh
> > > > > > you can go sooo many ways with that statement, man what's wrong
> with
> > > me
> > > > > > today?
> > > > >
> > > > > No comment  <snicker>
> > > > >
> > > > > >The mind's heading for the gutter more than usual... I almost
> > > > > > replied to the comment Mumcave with a sick reference. LOL
*sigh*
> I
> > > need
> > > > a
> > > > > > vacation)
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I passed on a couple too.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And what kind of car did you buy?  And you didn't take it for a
> test
> > > > > drive?
> > > > > > Making the salesman turn green is half the fun... ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bought a bright yellow Ford Escape......shouldn't be long now
before
> I
> > > get
> > > > > the speeding ticket  :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christine
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great choice, but bright yellow???
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, when I was five I did want to grow up to be a yellow moo cow and
> eat
> > > peanut butter and jelly grass........something my family has NEVER let
> me
> > > forget  :-)
> > >
> > > > Christine
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > OMG.... that is sooo funny.Yellow? why a yellow cow? You must have had a
> > great imagination.
> >
> > Tiff
> >
> >
>
> Who knows why a 5 y.o. comes up with things.  All I know is the "cow
thing"
> always shows up.....Christmas presents, etc.  My sister even needlepoint a
> blanket for my daughter when she was born.....yeah ...yellow cows.
>
>
>

Family! Gotta love em! :)

Tiff

Paul Fritz wrote in message ...

>Who knows why a 5 y.o. comes up with things.  All I know is the "cow thing"
>always shows up.....Christmas presents, etc.  My sister even needlepoint a
>blanket for my daughter when she was born.....yeah ...yellow cows.

I still get anything to do with Dennis the Menace every Christmas. Actually
the latest cufflinks are really good. Freddie has purloined my hot water
bottle cover pencils and ruler.
The tie is rather subtle and many people do not notice the Dennis the Menace
heads for hours and then suddenly start laughing.

Dennis

Dennis Here <denanson@plonkergofree.indigo.iepullmyplonkerwhenyoureply>
wrote in message news:%uA_9.6707$V6.8711@news.indigo.ie...
>
> Paul Fritz wrote in message ...
>
> >Who knows why a 5 y.o. comes up with things.  All I know is the "cow
thing"
> >always shows up.....Christmas presents, etc.  My sister even needlepoint
a
> >blanket for my daughter when she was born.....yeah ...yellow cows.
>
> I still get anything to do with Dennis the Menace every Christmas.
Actually
> the latest cufflinks are really good. Freddie has purloined my hot water
> bottle cover pencils and ruler.
> The tie is rather subtle and many people do not notice the Dennis the
Menace
> heads for hours and then suddenly start laughing.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>

Were you a menace?

Tiff

Tiffany wrote in message ...
>
>Were you a menace?


Still am ;-)

Dennis

Dennis Here <denanson@plonkergofree.indigo.iepullmyplonkerwhenyoureply>
wrote in message news:fBF_9.6783$V6.8834@news.indigo.ie...
>
> Tiffany wrote in message ...
> >
> >Were you a menace?
>
>
> Still am ;-)
>
> Dennis
>
>

Nooooo you aren't.... LOL!

Tiff

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> "Paul Fritz" <paulfritzREMOVEME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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> 
> ....waht a maroon.
> 
> anybody else get chills?
> 
> 

Nope, a nice memory actually.