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"SRS Does not make you a Woman" <butcheryourgenitals@thebigsnip.com> wrote 
in message news:4aec0185$0$28805$892e4abb@news.lightningnews.com...
> What doesnt make sense is why Usher still lurks in this group if she has 
> had operation?  Watching the paranoia in this group is amusing to say the 
> least. Justify all you want its hard to believe anyone that posts to this 
> group.

Oh dear, it looks like one of the idiot trolls has decided to play sock 
puppet.  Given the fact that this is cross-posted to ba.jobs, I would have 
say that it is none other than the lead idiot troll, Diane Lask.

Now, I now Diane Lask had SRS, but it was botched, leaving Lask not quite a 
man, but also not really a woman.  Rather sad, really, since it has led to 
Lask being a psychotic nut case

Yes, this sort of thing is typical of Lask, who has been known to use 
Lightning News in the past.

But, Diane Lask is right about one thing.  SRS doesn't make you a woman. 
Lask is living proof of that, as are some of the other idiot trolls.

And here is a bit of information on the entire family of idiot trolls:

The alt.support.srs Idiot Trolls FAQ
Version 1.2

This is a collection of questions I imagine anyone stumbling into this place 
might ask.  I will post it from time to time, as I see the need, as the only 
response I will make to the worst trolls here.  All of them, save one, are 
in my kill file.  I don't see their posts, and I don't read anything they 
say, unless it is quoted by another.  As I point out, I will continue to 
respond to Willy Boy, if only because I know it irritates him.

1.What is going on here?  This place seems to be a mess!

This is alt.support.srs.  It was created when alt.transgender was broke up 
in a vain attempt to end the flame wars that occurred there back in the 
mid-Nineties.  Unfortunately, it quickly deteriorated into its own flame 
wars, and has pretty much deteriorated to its present condition.

This group is dominated by a group of trolls.  Now, in case you don't know 
what a troll is, here is the canonical definition from the Jargon File:

troll: 1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a 
posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, 
the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in 
turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one 
trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed 
troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves 
look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the 
more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you 
don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.

2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts 
specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion 
list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a 
discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real 
interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter 
flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no 
redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form 
of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare 
kook.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category 
than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion 
that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.
The use of 'troll' in any of these senses is a live metaphor that readily 
produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently 
sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll 
postings.  Now, clearly, we are talking about trolls in sense 2.  And they 
also would qualify as kooks:

kook: [Usenet; originally and more formally, net.kook] Term used to describe 
a regular poster who continually posts messages with no apparent grounding 
in reality. Different from a troll, which implies a sort of sly wink on the 
part of a poster who knows better, kooks really believe what they write, to 
the extent that they believe anything.

The kook trademark is paranoia and grandiosity. Kooks will often build up 
elaborate imaginary support structures, fake corporations and the like, and 
continue to act as if those things are real even after their falsity has 
been documented in public.
While they may appear harmless, and are usually filtered out by the other 
regular participants in a newsgroup of mailing list, they can still cause 
problems because the necessity for these measures is not immediately 
apparent to newcomers; there are several instances on record, for example, 
of journalists writing stories with quotes from kooks who caught them 
unaware.
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You know, it is ironic that they try to accuse me of trolling, when I am not 
the one who posts obsessively to the group, trying, desperately, to get a 
response.

2.Does anyone actually read this group?

At present, there appear to be four or five people actually reading here, 
including myself.  I don't know if anyone else is around, or not.  Possibly 
not, but what the heck, this FAQ will drive the three or four trolls present 
up the wall, so why not?

3.So, who are the "players" here?

First off, there is myself, Jennifer Usher.

Then there are the "Three Stooges."  Now, like the original three stooges, 
there are actually more than three.  But, for a long time, there were just 
three, and they have that juvenile, male nature about themselves, so the 
name just seems perfect.

First, there is the groups "Moe."  I refer to this person as "Dickhead David 
because, well apparently his birth name was "David," and he really is a 
dickhead.  Out in the real world, he goes by the name "Diane Lask," though 
he has tried to hide his identity by using the name Diane Arons.  Given his 
silliness, it is no wonder he tries to hide his identity.  And he is perfect 
as the group's "Moe" because he tends to be something of a leader wannabe, 
he has that angry, sadistic quality, and well, his hair style does look a 
bit like Moe's bowl cut.

Second, there is the group's "Larry,"  This would be the one I refer to as 
Goat Boy.  He used to use the nick, "Mabel the Storm Goat.  Then he was 
Electra for a while, and now he calls himelf "Fluffy Bunny,"  Trust me, if 
you met this fellow, you would not be thinking either fluffy, or bunny.  He 
is very obviously "transgender."  And well, he does look a lot more like a 
goat than anything like a bunny.  Like Larry, he plays second banana to the 
group's "Moe," and well, his hair would remind you a bit of Larry's hair.  I 
knew him in the real world, but I cannot remember which names he used.  Like 
many TGs he changed his name occasionally, never quite happy with whatever 
he was calling himself.

Third, there is the group's "Curly."  This would be the infamous "Willy Boy" 
who has trolled the world of transsexuals as "Willow Arune.  Born William 
Orobko, he has a bizarre history and a bitter hatred of anyone who has ever 
successfully transitioned.  He plays the role of Curly well, with his rather 
large size, his idiotic behavior, and well, while not bald, he does have the 
beginnings of male pattern baldness.

Finally, there is the group's "Shemp."  A less than stellar player, the man 
who calls himself "Hautebebe" is only an occasional member of the troupe. 
Like Shemp, he is something of a mystery.

There are a few others who post occasionally, like "Ruby."  I have a pretty 
good idea who Ruby really is, but hey, it's not me...in spite of what has 
been claimed.  Of course, the idiot trolls, who have done plenty of sock 
puppetry, don't want to believe anyone might actually disagree with them.

4.Is this the same "Diane" that has been here forever?

Yes, this person has been trolling these waters since the beginning, and was 
active on Fidonet before that.  This nutcase has maintained a long term 
obsession with a fellow nutcase who called himself "Laura Blake" for a 
number of years.  It turned out that his real name was Lyle Blake, and even 
though he left here long ago, Lask has continued to obsess over him, even 
going so far as to dig up dirt on him recently.

Ironically, Lask made peace with me, and we actually became friends for a 
while.  I even let Lask sleep on my floor for a couple of days, though he 
now denies it.  It turns out that while Lask was claiming to have well 
paying jobs as a programmer, he was actually quite broke and homeless.  It 
was never completely clear what happened, but Lask does have decent computer 
skills.  I have suspicions as to what led him to be on the skids, and it 
probably involved some sort of theft, but that is just, as I say, 
suspicions.

Lask spent a couple of days crashing on my floor, and then he moved in with 
a post-op who identifies as a lesbian, but who is more "tranny chaser" than 
anything else.  I know this, because at the time, I had a personal ad on 
Craig's List (I was still pre-op at the time, and felt it was safer to be 
upfront) and this person contacted me.  I was not really interested in 
dating a woman, but I was volunteering at a research project targeting 
"transgender people" at UCSF and I figured helping recruit subjects would 
look good.  When I talked to the person, she said that a friend was going to 
stay with her.   I had a hunch, and asked if it was Diane Lask.  It was.  I 
found that rather interesting.

I felt sorry for Lask, but I have to say, this is one sick puppy.  I 
remember him showing me his pepper spray and saying that he was considering 
finding some homeless person to test it on.  At first I thought he was just 
making a sick joke, but then I realized...he was serious.

Now, at the time, I promised Lask I would not reveal his "secret" but when 
it became clear that he was the anonymous troll who was making increasingly 
vicious attacks (he mentioned some things that only Lask would have known), 
I decided that my promise was no longer binding.

5.So Why is this person so nasty?

The most likely explanation is, simply because this person is nasty.  But, I 
suspect that some of the obsession is a result of his botched surgery.  You 
see, Lask does not have a functioning vagina.  Now, why he never had this 
corrected is beyond me, other than possibly finances.

As to my personal issues with Lask, these began when he decided that he 
wanted alt.support.srs to go away.  He has always seen this as his personal 
kingdom, and he made the decision that he wanted this group to die.  When I 
declined to obey his imperial edict, he turned on me.  At first his crap was 
sort of amusing.  I suspected it was him, but I was not sure.  Then as he 
got increasingly nasty, I figured if it was him, he would bring up the time 
he spent with me.  When he did, I knew it was him, and I fought back.  He 
does not take kindly to those who stand up to him.

6.So, how do you know "Goat Boy?"

I met this person during the time I was living at a local homeless shelter. 
He was there as well.  I immediately read him as "transgender" (as did 
everyone else in the place) but he did not know I was a transsexual until I 
told him.  He tries to deny this now, but the record shows he previously 
admitted it.

Again, we were friends...until someone pointed out that he was clearly not a 
transsexual.  I could not, in good conscience, disagree with that assertion, 
and he, quite simply, blew a gasket because I would not "defend him,"  He 
has since engaged in vicious attacks, most of which involve outright lies.

Goat Boy is quite the character.  When I knew him in the shelter, he claimed 
to be HIV positive. I remember this, because at the time, I was rooming with 
a person who was, well....interesting.  Among other things, she claimed to 
have psychic powers, and the ability to heal people.  I never took her 
seriously, but I figured it was better to humor her.  I remember talking to 
her about "healing" Goat Boy of having HIV.  She said she had never done 
that before, but would try.  Who knows, maybe it worked because more 
recently, Goat Boy claimed to be dying from lymphoma.  In fact, at the time, 
he was literally at death's door, but has since had an apparently miraculous 
recovery.  The only thing that can be definitively said about Goat Boy's 
health is that he obviously suffers from M�nchausen syndrome.

7. So what is the deal with "Willy Boy?"

Do a Google search for "Willow Arune," and you will discover that this 
person is major net kook with a long history of attacking transsexuals.  He 
had surgery in a bizarre effort to deal with a rape he claims occurred in a 
Thai jail.  His story is totally bizarre, and is well documented.  It is 
really not worth repeating here, when it is so easily researched online.

8.What is the deal with your kill filing everyone but "Willy Boy?"

This is a good question.  It is very simple.  Willy Boy desperately wishes 
to be kill filed by me.  Deep down, he wants to be unchallenged in his 
efforts to post his crap here.  As it is now, he knows it will be quickly 
refuted, and he has quite even trying.  On the other hand, the rest of the 
stooges desperately want my attention.  Even though I only see them when 
they are quoted, I know they post obsessively.  And from what little I see, 
I know that many of their posts consist of outrageous lies in the hope of 
goading me into responding.  They also fantasize that I am reading their 
crap, and am just devastated by it.  Oh well....

9.So, what lies have they posted?

Well, a very common one is that I have not had SRS.  I had my surgery on 
February 10, 2006.  They know this is true, but they keep repeating this in 
the hopes of getting me to respond.  My surgery was covered by insurance 
from my job.  It was not, as some have tried to claim, performed in 
Thailand.  It was not, as Willy Boy tried to claim, performed by a "no-name" 
doctor.  My surgeon was not a well known as some, but my surgeon was well 
qualified, having been trained by Dr. Laub, perhaps the top SRS surgeon of 
all time.

Another lie, that seems to have become popular, is that I am living in a 
homeless shelter.  Now, while it is true that I was once in a shelter (as 
were at least two others here), that has not been true for over six years. 
I live in a residential hotel.  As I have pointed out, I spend less than a 
fifth of my income on housing.  That leaves a lot for other things, like 
travel, and other pleasures.  And contrary to a number of claims, while this 
place is not exactly "Nob Hill" it is not as bad as some make it out.  A 
range of people live here.  Some are challenged.  Some, such as myself, hit 
hard times for a while.  Many of the people here are quite decent 
folks...much nicer than the three who wish to attack me.

It is easy to find people more than willing to attack any place that 
provides sub-market rate housing.  There are a lot of people in San 
Francisco who think, as former mayor Willie Brown supposedly said, no one 
should be allowed to live in San Francisco who does make at least $100,000. 
So, they can find more than a few articles that slam places like where I 
live.  Interestingly enough, like much of San Francisco, my neighborhood is 
undergoing gentrification.  Around the corner there is a rather upscale 
eatery...right between two relatively inexpensive ethnic places.  For a 
while, there was a pretty ritzy night club there as well, though it is 
undergoing some sort of renovation.  Next door to my building, there are 
relatively expensive condos.  This is just the nature of San Francisco.  And 
as these sort of things move into a neighborhood, there is an effort to move 
affordable housing out.

As I have observed, their attitudes about this show their attitudes of male 
privilege.  Even though both Goat Boy and Dickhead David have seen hard 
times, they just cannot get past their sense of privilege.  They have no 
understanding of life as a single woman.  One does what one has to do.  As I 
have said, I could spend more on housing, but I prefer being able to visit 
my daughter and grandchildren.  Of  course, as I say, the idiot trolls are 
very male in their attitudes.  Things like that are lost on them.

It is also claimed that I have some sort of "workfare" job.  Again, not 
true.  I am a career (i.e. permanent) employee.  I have received several 
advancements since starting with my employer.  And no, I am not "hidden" 
away as some claim.  Nor does my current position have anything directly to 
do with "transgender people."  There is currently one project that 
specifically targets transgender people, and other than the same work I do 
for all projects, I have nothing to do with that.

And I might add, for a job that they claim is non-existent, all three of the 
primary stooges went to great lengths to try to get me fired.  Those efforts 
were laughed off, by the way.  Oh, and Dickhead David's latest one was a 
hoot.  He claims to have sent a copy of this to people I work with along 
with the claim that I was "outing" people.  I mean, really?  He is even more 
irony personified than Willy Boy.


One of the most absurd claims is about my weight.  While I could stand to 
lose a few more pounds, I have never weighed anywhere near what is claimed. 
But, hey, nobody said these idiots are concerned with facts.  Granted, I do 
seem to have lost about 75 pounds according to the latest from Dickhead 
David.

A new lie, or at least a newer version of an old lie, is that my ex divorced 
me for non-support.  The actual grounds, as with almost any divorce, was 
irreconcilable differences.  In our case, it was that I was becoming a 
woman, and she was not a lesbian.  So, that is just fiction on the part of 
Dickhead David.

And another part of this same lie is that I moved in with an older man. 
Actually, the man I lived with for a year was actually a bit younger than I 
was (no, not that much younger...knowing the idiot trolls, I can just 
imagine the next round of lies, but hey, I can use a good laugh).  Nor was 
he moved to a managed care facility.  His father moved him to a less 
expensive apartment.  During our year together, I worked, and he was on 
disability.  I did not live off of his Social Security checks, as I paid for 
quite a bit of stuff out of my income.  His father just felt that the place 
cost too much, and found a place where he could qualify for "Section 8." 
And no, I was not his "gay lover."  We did not have a sexual relation, as I 
was pre-op and besides, he was not really able to have sex because of his 
injuries.  But, idiot trolls have dirty minds.  And some of them tend to be 
bizarrely homophobic.  Which is really odd, given that Lask has been in a 
"lesbian" relationship with a post-op tranny chaser, and any relation with a 
male would not be able to involve any sort of normal sex.

A favorite taunt of all of the increasingly obsessive trolls is about how 
quickly I respond to Arune.  That is funny for several reasons.  First, I 
generally respond to Arune when I notice he has posted a message.  When I am 
checking my email at home, I can see, easily enough, if there is a message 
in this newsgroup.  If there is one, I click on the group.  If the message 
is from a kill filed troll, it disappears at that point. (That is how I know 
they are still posting, though unless quoted by another, I have no way of 
know who, or what is, posted.)  If it is from Willy Boy, is from someone who 
is not in my kill file, or if it is spam, I see it.  I then respond, unless 
there is some reason to wait.  I usually wait only if there is something I 
need to research to answer the post.  That is very rare now, as most posts 
are either Willy Boys inane silliness, or they disappear.

Since I don't post during working hours, when I respond varies.  If he posts 
early in the day, I may not respond for hours.  If he posts closer to when I 
get off, it may take less time.  If, as occasionally happens, he posts while 
I am answering other email, I may post right away.  Now, only the most 
desperate of idiot trolls would try to make something out of this.  But yes, 
that is exactly what the idiot trolls here have tried to do.

Yet another common lie among the idiot trolls is that I am uneducated.  In 
truth, I have quite a few years of college.  In truth, I probably have six 
or seven years total.  So, why no degree?  I changed majors a lot.  Let's 
see, I started out in American Studies, switched to Journalism, then went 
back for Electronics Engineering Technology, followed by pre-engineering, 
and wound up taking several courses in pursuit of a nursing degree.  Of 
course, you have to remember, all this time, I was dealing with being a 
transsexual....something that none of the idiot trolls can relate to, since 
the all seem to have decided they wanted to become women late in life, after 
successful careers.  And, since completing transition my life has 
improved...and theirs have all gone down.  Go figure.

The simple bottom line is, truth simply doesn't matter to the idiot trolls. 
For example, Dickhead  David, in one of his attempts to claim someone else 
was me, made a big fuss about how the message was crossposted to several 
groups.  He claimed this was the same behavior as "Lyell Blake," who he is 
still obsessed with years after he left the group.  Never mind the fact that 
this is actually classic behavior for him.  Yes, Dickhead David Lask is 
probably the worst about crossposting to unrelated newsgroups in his 
trolling attempts.


10.  So why not just walk away from it all, and let this place die?

That is a good question.  First off, I tried that.  Some years back, I made 
an agreement with my boss at the time that I would stop posting to the 
group.  It was not required, as I was posting on my own time, and my boss 
had no authority to make this a requirement, but I was still in my 
probationary period, and well, unlike some here, I'm not an idiot.  Even 
though I stopped posting, Willy Boy continued to attack me.  He was rather 
enjoying having the freedom to attack without me being able to respond. 
Once I was past probation, and was protected from being fired without good 
cause, I returned.

Now, we have Dickhead David, aka, Lask.  This idiot troll still obsesses 
over Lyle "Laura" Blake years after Blake has not only left the group, but 
has stopped even living as a woman.  Blake moved on, but Lask cannot.  He is 
obsessed with this place.  It is his life.  He spends hours searching for 
something he can use against his imagined enemies.

In a way, it would be interesting to leave.  What might be forgotten is that 
Lask has targeted both Willy Boy and Goat Boy in the past.  Both of these 
idiot trolls are so blinded by their hatred towards me (Willy Boy because I 
am successful, and Goat Boy because I refused to acknowledge him as a female 
because he is an avowed non-op) that they forget that fact.  They overlook 
the fact that Lask was on friendly terms with me until I declined to obey 
him and leave the group when he decided to shut it down.  They probably 
actually think that if I leave, their little love affair with Lask will 
continue.  Boy, would they be in for a surprise.

-- 
Jennifer Usher