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i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.

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"Wilson da Silva" <wfdas@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7fc2943a.0308060004.61edb209@posting.google.com...
> Thought the following news item might be of interest to the list ...
>
> Vitamin C may cut passive smoking damage
>
> Vitamin C may help prevent the damage caused by second-hand tobacco
> smoke, offering a way for people to protect themselves from smokers in
> their lives, a U.S. study suggests.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s917746.htm

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:00 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> posted:

>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.

Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower? 
Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.

Moosh:} <almostnothing@very.little> wrote
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:00 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> >i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
> >so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
>
> Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
> Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
>

 Ueta E, Suzuki E, Nanba E, Tadokoro Y, Otsuka Y, Kurata T.
 Regulation of cigarette smoke-induced cytochrome P4501A1 gene expression in
osteogenic disorder Shionogi rat liver and in lung by large ascorbic acid dose.
Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2001 Nov;65(11):2548-51.
PMID: 11791731 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Nardini M, Finkelstein EI, Reddy S, Valacchi G, Traber M, Cross CE, van der
Vliet A.
 Acrolein-induced cytotoxicity in cultured human bronchial epithelial cells.
Modulation by alpha-tocopherol and ascorbic acid.
Toxicology. 2002 Jan 25;170(3):173-85.
PMID: 11788155 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay D, Chatterjee IB.
 Cigarette smoke-induced protein oxidation and proteolysis is exclusively caused
by its tar phase: prevention by vitamin C.
Toxicol Lett. 2001 Aug 6;123(1):21-32.
PMID: 11514102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Schneider M, Diemer K, Engelhart K, Zankl H, Trommer WE, Biesalski HK.
 Protective effects of vitamins C and E on the number of micronuclei in
lymphocytes in smokers and their role in ascorbate free radical formation in
plasma.
Free Radic Res. 2001 Mar;34(3):209-19.
PMID: 11264897 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay DJ, Chatterjee IB.
 Vitamin C prevents cigarette smoke-induced oxidative damage in vivo.
Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Jul 15;29(2):115-24.
PMID: 10980400 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jacob RA.
 Passive smoking induces oxidant damage preventable by vitamin C.
Nutr Rev. 2000 Aug;58(8):239-41. Review.
PMID: 10946562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Gamble J, Grewal PS, Gartside IB.
 Vitamin C modifies the cardiovascular and microvascular responses to cigarette
smoke inhalation in man.
Clin Sci (Lond). 2000 Apr;98(4):455-60.
PMID: 10731481 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Valkonen MM, Kuusi T.
 Vitamin C prevents the acute atherogenic effects of passive smoking.
Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Feb 1;28(3):428-36.
PMID: 10699755 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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and many more.

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote

> i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C 
> for the smoker................
> so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.

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Moosh:} wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:00 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> posted:
> 
> 
>>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
>>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
> 
> 
> Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower? 
> Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
> 
> 

Popping Vit C makes you eliminate nicotine faster, and therefore smoke 
more to maintain addiction levels. So it's a catch-22.

> > >i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
smoker................
> > >so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
> >
> > Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
> > Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
> >
>
>  Ueta E, Suzuki E, Nanba E, Tadokoro Y, Otsuka Y, Kurata T.
>  Regulation of cigarette smoke-induced cytochrome P4501A1 gene expression
in
> osteogenic disorder Shionogi rat liver and in lung by large ascorbic acid
dose.
> Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2001 Nov;65(11):2548-51.
> PMID: 11791731 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Nardini M, Finkelstein EI, Reddy S, Valacchi G, Traber M, Cross CE, van
der
> Vliet A.
>  Acrolein-induced cytotoxicity in cultured human bronchial epithelial
cells.
> Modulation by alpha-tocopherol and ascorbic acid.
> Toxicology. 2002 Jan 25;170(3):173-85.
> PMID: 11788155 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay D, Chatterjee IB.
>  Cigarette smoke-induced protein oxidation and proteolysis is exclusively
caused
> by its tar phase: prevention by vitamin C.
> Toxicol Lett. 2001 Aug 6;123(1):21-32.
> PMID: 11514102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Schneider M, Diemer K, Engelhart K, Zankl H, Trommer WE, Biesalski HK.
>  Protective effects of vitamins C and E on the number of micronuclei in
> lymphocytes in smokers and their role in ascorbate free radical formation
in
> plasma.
> Free Radic Res. 2001 Mar;34(3):209-19.
> PMID: 11264897 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay DJ, Chatterjee IB.
>  Vitamin C prevents cigarette smoke-induced oxidative damage in vivo.
> Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Jul 15;29(2):115-24.
> PMID: 10980400 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Jacob RA.
>  Passive smoking induces oxidant damage preventable by vitamin C.
> Nutr Rev. 2000 Aug;58(8):239-41. Review.
> PMID: 10946562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Gamble J, Grewal PS, Gartside IB.
>  Vitamin C modifies the cardiovascular and microvascular responses to
cigarette
> smoke inhalation in man.
> Clin Sci (Lond). 2000 Apr;98(4):455-60.
> PMID: 10731481 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> Valkonen MM, Kuusi T.
>  Vitamin C prevents the acute atherogenic effects of passive smoking.
> Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Feb 1;28(3):428-36.
> PMID: 10699755 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

WHAT?!?  NO URLs?!?   Hahahahahahahaha!  Sorry, my sides still hurt.  Hey!,
Alex!  --  look!, no URLs!   Hahahahahahahaha!

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:27:38 GMT, "giselle" <giselle@atlantic.not>
posted:

>Moosh:} <almostnothing@very.little> wrote
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:00 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
>> <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> posted:
>>
>> >i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
>> >so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
>>
>> Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
>> Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
>>
>
> Ueta E, Suzuki E, Nanba E, Tadokoro Y, Otsuka Y, Kurata T.
> Regulation of cigarette smoke-induced cytochrome P4501A1 gene expression in
>osteogenic disorder Shionogi rat liver and in lung by large ascorbic acid dose.
>Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2001 Nov;65(11):2548-51.
>PMID: 11791731 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Nardini M, Finkelstein EI, Reddy S, Valacchi G, Traber M, Cross CE, van der
>Vliet A.
> Acrolein-induced cytotoxicity in cultured human bronchial epithelial cells.
>Modulation by alpha-tocopherol and ascorbic acid.
>Toxicology. 2002 Jan 25;170(3):173-85.
>PMID: 11788155 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay D, Chatterjee IB.
> Cigarette smoke-induced protein oxidation and proteolysis is exclusively caused
>by its tar phase: prevention by vitamin C.
>Toxicol Lett. 2001 Aug 6;123(1):21-32.
>PMID: 11514102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Schneider M, Diemer K, Engelhart K, Zankl H, Trommer WE, Biesalski HK.
> Protective effects of vitamins C and E on the number of micronuclei in
>lymphocytes in smokers and their role in ascorbate free radical formation in
>plasma.
>Free Radic Res. 2001 Mar;34(3):209-19.
>PMID: 11264897 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Panda K, Chattopadhyay R, Chattopadhyay DJ, Chatterjee IB.
> Vitamin C prevents cigarette smoke-induced oxidative damage in vivo.
>Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Jul 15;29(2):115-24.
>PMID: 10980400 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Jacob RA.
> Passive smoking induces oxidant damage preventable by vitamin C.
>Nutr Rev. 2000 Aug;58(8):239-41. Review.
>PMID: 10946562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Gamble J, Grewal PS, Gartside IB.
> Vitamin C modifies the cardiovascular and microvascular responses to cigarette
>smoke inhalation in man.
>Clin Sci (Lond). 2000 Apr;98(4):455-60.
>PMID: 10731481 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>Valkonen MM, Kuusi T.
> Vitamin C prevents the acute atherogenic effects of passive smoking.
>Free Radic Biol Med. 2000 Feb 1;28(3):428-36.
>PMID: 10699755 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>and many more.

And the outcomes of taking vit C supplementation and eventual
morbidity?

> >and many more.

> MooShe comments:
> And the outcomes of taking vit C supplementation and eventual
> morbidity?

The only thing that would convince MooShe would be if at her
death they took a sample of some still viable DNA and cloned
20 000 MooShes and compelled 2/3 to smoke with half
that group also taking a large dose of ascorbic acid.

The non-smoking MooShes would be compared to two
smoking Mooshe population. The likely result would be
the AA group would fall somewhere between the other
two populations in health and lifespans.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:53:31 -0400, Kita <omg8pv4802@sneakemail.com>
posted:

>Moosh:} wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:16:00 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
>> <readandpostREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> posted:
>> 
>> 
>>>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the smoker................
>>>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
>> 
>> 
>> Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower? 
>> Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
>> 
>> 
>
>Popping Vit C makes you eliminate nicotine faster, and therefore smoke 
>more to maintain addiction levels. So it's a catch-22.

How interesting, (if it's true). There's always a trap  :)

> >>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
smoker................
> >>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
> >
> >
> > Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
> > Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
> >
> >
>
> Popping Vit C makes you eliminate nicotine faster, and therefore smoke
> more to maintain addiction levels. So it's a catch-22.

I hadn't heard that before.  Can you please cite a source for that
information?

"PRSmith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<rR9Za.153480$XV.8119733@twister.austin.rr.com>...
> > >>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
>  smoker................
> > >>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
> > > Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Popping Vit C makes you eliminate nicotine faster, and therefore smoke
> > more to maintain addiction levels. So it's a catch-22.
> 
> I hadn't heard that before.  Can you please cite a source for that
> information?

Nicotine is eliminated primarily through sweat and urination. Vitamin
C acts as a mild diuretic. We know that the faster nicotine is
eliminated, the faster the body requires more of it.

I don't know that one single study has investigated both facts
together (they are often referred to, but I can't say one study
combines both, yet), but you can find many articles confirming either
one one individually at Pubmed.

(Normally I'd do all the legwork and research, but since I don't smoke
anymore, in this case I'm just not that interested or affected.)

> > > >>i remember reading about the benefits of vitamin C for the
> >  smoker................
> > > >>so i kept on smoking, and just popped vitamin C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wasn't the information just that vit C in smokers was lower?
> > > > Amazing how this can be distorted by wishful thinking.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Popping Vit C makes you eliminate nicotine faster, and therefore smoke
> > > more to maintain addiction levels. So it's a catch-22.
> >
> > I hadn't heard that before.  Can you please cite a source for that
> > information?
>
> Nicotine is eliminated primarily through sweat and urination. Vitamin
> C acts as a mild diuretic. We know that the faster nicotine is
> eliminated, the faster the body requires more of it.
>
> I don't know that one single study has investigated both facts
> together (they are often referred to, but I can't say one study
> combines both, yet), but you can find many articles confirming either
> one one individually at Pubmed.
>
> (Normally I'd do all the legwork and research, but since I don't smoke
> anymore, in this case I'm just not that interested or affected.)

I see, a simple diuretic like so many other things - coffee and beer being
but two examples.  Well, that was interesting.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 22:27:49 -0700, "William A. Noyes"
<no.address@ctc.net> posted:

>
>> >and many more.
>
>> MooShe comments:
>> And the outcomes of taking vit C supplementation and eventual
>> morbidity?
>
>The only thing that would convince MooShe would be if at her
>death they took a sample of some still viable DNA and cloned
>20 000 MooShes and compelled 2/3 to smoke with half
>that group also taking a large dose of ascorbic acid.
>
>The non-smoking MooShes would be compared to two
>smoking Mooshe population. The likely result would be
>the AA group would fall somewhere between the other
>two populations in health and lifespans.

If that's how you would approach the problem.

But I would be happy for a concensus of studies that showed an effect
other than a reduction of AA in the blood of the passive smokers,
however, if you are happy to believe it negates passive smoking
damage, go for it. I will avoid passive smoking wherever possible.