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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:16:28 +1100, Ribfeast <goaway@nospam.com>
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>On 23/11/04 3:44 PM, in article 2td5q098lkocs7dl3kim9ormjlvjpkue5n@4ax.com,
>"Rev Turd Fredericks" <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:37:23 +1100, Ribfeast <goaway@nospam.com>
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>>> On 22/11/04 2:54 PM, in article 9dn2q0lgjng76ua7do3ep490uus9b02d21@4ax.com,
>>> "Rev Turd Fredericks" <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
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>>>> Almost 5 years ago now, I built a dual PIII machine with the "latest
>>>> and greatest" parts available my total cost for it was $1300, a
>>>> comaprable Mac was well over $5000. The gap is closing but PC's are
>>>> still at least 50% cheaper. If you just want an "entry level PC" and
>>>> want to run lindows on it, it will set you back only $199 USD.
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>>> PCs are still cheaper at this stage, but yes the gap is closing.  I'd rather
>>> pay a bit more for an OS that is better than XP, with a better-styled
>>> machine ;)  
>>> My PC was $1500AU, hand built by myself 6 months ago, with combo drive,
>>> Radeon 9600XT 256MB video, 120GB SATA, Antec 1080AMG case & Antec 480W PSU,
>>> Asus wireless motherboard, 3GHz P4, 1GB RAM, gigabit ethernet etc.  Not as
>>> quick as my G5 but still good for games which is what I bought it for.
>> How much was the G5?
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>Dual 1.8Ghz 64bit, RRP for around $3599AU (but we get raped by Apple pricing
>here compared to the USA).  I got mine at staff price though so saved a fair
>swag of cash there.  $1799US according to that site you linked to below.
>Aussie dollar is worth 78 US cents at the moment so someone is making a tidy
>profit on the way to the shelves.

I didn't notice at the site I posted that the computer was a dual,
that's actually a pretty decent price. It is at educational discount.
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>>> Hard to believe your dual P3 was $1300, but that is probably US dollars and
>>> our exchange rate sucked back then.
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>> $1300 USD in Jan 2000.
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>Probably around $2000-2500AU at the time I'd say.  Not bad :)
Yeah, and it had state of the art video card at the time, Nvidia
GeForce 2 32MB and 512MB SDRAM memory. What I did was buy stuff a bit
at a time online as it went on sale. 

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>>>> I guess that must be why all I see are broken ones. The G5's are
>>>> attractive, but I still don't think that justifies the
>>>> price/performance you get for the money.
>>> Put it this way - decent 20" LCD is around $2000-2500AU (use oanda.com to
>>> convert the $ rates), a G5 iMac with 64 bit CPU with DVD burner, 256MB DDR
>>> RAM, 160GB HDD SATA, GeForce FX5200, ethernet, modem, and the same 20" LCD
>>> is $3199 AU all up.  Good value if you ask me.
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>> The 20" LCD is the expensive part :-) You get a decent discount if you
>> buy the computer along with it and I notice the price has come down
>> quite a bit since the last time I looked
>> http://www.book.uci.edu/computers/ but the macs are still priced 3
>> times what a comparable PC costs. A 3.0Ghz system from Dell is $649,
>> you can add another 256MB of memory to it for $25 (from a computer
>> store not Dell) and you have a system that could easily kick the ass
>> of a $2300 Apple. Not only that but it comes with a 17" flat panel
>> display.
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>Yeah but that is a Dell system, built from the crappiest parts around, with
>a dodgy MS OS ;)  I'm talking home-made PCs built with name brands, since
>Apple is a name brand.  $649 for a system WITH an LCD seems a bit too good
>to be true for me, I'd be a bit sketchy on the quality.
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I have two Dells at work and they aren't that bad, one is a "bottom of
the barrel" type system and it performs quite well, it couldn't have
cost $500 (my guess is $399 bought in bulk, 2.5 Ghz 512MB DDR memory,
40GB HD and crappy intel onboard video, it came with a 15" CRT
monitor), my other machine is pretty good, or it was 2 1/2 years ago,
now it is just so so. My guess is the machine I mention above is
mediocre but it still comes with a warranty and the 17" LCD. For a few
bucks more one could beef it up a bit with aftermarket parts :-) Where
I live computer stuff is dirt cheap, even the good stuff.
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>> It is certainly enough to make me wary of *ever* putting an Apple
>> server on the internet.
>Webstar under MacOS 9 used to make server software, and it has never been
>hacked, they even offered a prize to anyone who could hack it (and it wasn't
>a jail sentence ;) )  Not too sure about the current Apple server software,
>haven't dealt much with that side of things, I work in repairs.

But should a vulnerability be found, there is little motivation for a
company to disclose it if they are the sole maker of server software
for Apple. Granted I wouldn't be likely to use windows server software
(for example the awful IIS) either, but at least there are more eyes
on it. 

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>>>> Windows file sharing is an accident waiting to happen. If I have to
>>>> share files I set up an ftp server and hand out accounts on a need to
>>>> know basis. 
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>>> Yeah I do the same - FTP or HTTP, sometimes even Hotline or KDX.
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>> Ftp seems to be the technology that time forgot. I have an ftp server
>> running off my home machine and about 15 or 20 people use it for
>> sharing files (mostly for online gaming mods) as well as family photos
>> etc. and the occassional <cough> mp3. It's safe, secure and I won't
>> end up getting sued by the music industry because it's also private,
>> they have no way of knowing what I share :-) It's funny, because some
>> people I have given accounts  to (namely 2 teenage cousins) thought
>> that ftp is some new file sharing technology or something and they use
>> it often.
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>I agree, FTP is a winner, very fast and secure, only problem is you can't
>chat with other users that are logged in there.  That is where Hotline and
>KDX etc are good.  KDX even has encrypted chats.

I have never actually used any mainstream file sharing software. When
I was running BeOS, I did use BeShare, but it had central servers and
they had rules about sharing "illegal" files, it was just basically
used to share BeOS software and as a chat mechanism/rumor mill.
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