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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:24:19 -0500, "Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com>
wrote:

>Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC with 
>2gb ram and onboard video out.
>The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I went to 
>a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low end 
>monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
>
>I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and maybe 
>watching movies.
>The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other 
>monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>               1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
>
>I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
>
>Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide 
>screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any 
>criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
>
>The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or ther 
>deals?
>
>I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any suggestions?
>
>Thanks in advance 
>


I've been kind of thinking of putting a nice big monitor in the back
window of my SUV.  Then when some dickhead comes up to close I can
just press a button and he can see what I think of his driving.

Never really did think much of Dell's monitors. I have an HP 17"
widescreen I like though.

"Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote in news:gg7n07$isa$1@aioe.org:

> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC
> with 2gb ram and onboard video out.
> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I
> went to a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low
> end monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
> 
> I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and
> maybe watching movies.
> The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other 
> monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>                1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
> 
> I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
> 
> Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide 
> screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any 
> criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
> 
> The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or
> ther deals?
> 
> I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any
> suggestions? 
> 
Two questions to get a straight answer for: 1. what's the dot pitch
(measured in hundreds of a mm)? 2. What is the minimum number of 
dot failures required for warrenty (free) replacement? 

You don't *get* dot failure with CRT's. They also last longer and have a
lower dot pitch, hence higher resolution per inch. 

BTW *always* use a followup group unless you're going to check every one
of those groups you crossposted to. 

-- 
(setq (chuck nil)  car(chuck) )

Will this be your primary desktop monitor for your PC or do you pland to use 
it as a home theatre?


"Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote in message news:gg7n07$isa$1@aioe.org...
> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC with 
> 2gb ram and onboard video out.
> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I went 
> to a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low end 
> monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
>
> I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and 
> maybe watching movies.
> The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other 
> monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>               1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
>
> I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
>
> Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide 
> screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any 
> criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
>
> The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or 
> ther deals?
>
> I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance
> 

I would disable the onboard video and add a nice video card,,, PCI Express


"Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote in message news:gg7n07$isa$1@aioe.org...
> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC with 
> 2gb ram and onboard video out.
> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I went 
> to a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low end 
> monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
>
> I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and 
> maybe watching movies.
> The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other 
> monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>               1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
>
> I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
>
> Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide 
> screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any 
> criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
>
> The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or 
> ther deals?
>
> I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance
> 

"richard" <member@newsguy.com> wrote in message 
news:mvpei4hgv9o745khivfd9tui3s6os4ts0d@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:24:19 -0500, "Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC with
>>2gb ram and onboard video out.
>>The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I went 
>>to
>>a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low end
>>monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
>>
>>I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and 
>>maybe
>>watching movies.
>>The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other
>>monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>>               1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
>>
>>I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
>>
>>Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide
>>screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any
>>criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
>>
>>The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or 
>>ther
>>deals?
>>
>>I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>
>
> I've been kind of thinking of putting a nice big monitor in the back
> window of my SUV.  Then when some dickhead comes up to close I can
> just press a button and he can see what I think of his driving.
>
> Never really did think much of Dell's monitors. I have an HP 17"
> widescreen I like though.
>

you mean....."when *another dickhead comes up close*......" 

"Holend" <shrkmrk@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:49279d22$0$14103$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com...
>I would disable the onboard video and add a nice video card,,, PCI Express
>

His computer doesn't seem to have any expansion slots at all...no AGP, 
PCI-Express, or PCI either.  -Dave 

Tom added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell
> SX-270 PC with 2gb ram and onboard video out.
> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out
> there.  I went to a local best buy to compare monitors but
> they seemed to have low end monitors on display.  (the 25.5 "
> monitor sure looks like). 

Don't rely on ratings. They do not at all represent your needs nor 
do they predict what YOU will see. Best to bring a camera memory 
card with you with some images or whatever kinds of data you want 
to use to the store and "encourage" them to show you the monitor(s) 
you're interested in using YOUR data and NOT canned video the store 
provides.

And, be sure to ask what resolutions are supported besides the 
16:10 wide-screen natural resolution. Also, look at Samsung.
 
> I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight
> simulator and maybe watching movies.
> The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared
> to other monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>                1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
> 
> I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
> 
> Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least
> 24" wide screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best
> reviews.  Any criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
> 
> The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount
> coupons or ther deals?
> 
> I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any
> suggestions? 

-- 
HP, aka Jerry

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained 
by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:13:40 -0500, olfart aided th' terraists with the
following claims :

> 
> "richard" <member@newsguy.com> wrote in message 
> news:mvpei4hgv9o745khivfd9tui3s6os4ts0d@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:24:19 -0500, "Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell SX-270 PC with
>>>2gb ram and onboard video out.
>>>The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out there.  I went 
>>>to
>>>a local best buy to compare monitors but they seemed to have low end
>>>monitors on display.  (the 25.5 " monitor sure looks like).
>>>
>>>I'll use the monitor for web browsing, displaying flight simulator and 
>>>maybe
>>>watching movies.
>>>The Response Time is 6ms which is somewhat slow when compared to other
>>>monitors.  Will it display BluRay movies?
>>>               1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
>>>
>>>I'm not sure this HDMI connection will display BluRay
>>>
>>>Any recommendations for other large screen monitors at least 24" wide
>>>screen, though the Dell 2408wfp seems to get the best reviews.  Any
>>>criticisms of the Dell 2408WFP?
>>>
>>>The minotr sells for about $500.00 any sources for discount coupons or 
>>>ther
>>>deals?
>>>
>>>I'll want to upgrade trhe onboard video to a video card - any suggestions?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've been kind of thinking of putting a nice big monitor in the back
>> window of my SUV.  Then when some dickhead comes up to close I can
>> just press a button and he can see what I think of his driving.
>>
>> Never really did think much of Dell's monitors. I have an HP 17"
>> widescreen I like though.
>>
> 
> you mean....."when *another dickhead comes up close*......"

Just mount a GE minigun on a RC turret and be done with it :)



-- 
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, 
can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
http://www.mykeru.com

"Holend" <shrkmrk@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:492790d9$0$14095$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com...
> Will this be your primary desktop monitor for your PC or do you pland to 
> use it as a home theatre?

It will be used as my primary desktop monitor.  Because they are so cheat I 
might buy a 19" 0r 20" secondary monitor.  I've got a Pioneer plasma TV that 
is four years old which means it doesn't have HDMI (v2) so it won't display 
BluRay movies.  I'm hoping the 2408WFP will display BluRay 'til I can 
upgraDE    MY PLASMA TO A pIONEER Elite Kuro 50" which is the best display 
out there.  The problem is I'm gutting the first floor of my house and don't 
want to buy the TV until the rehab is complete.

"Holend" <shrkmrk@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:49279d22$0$14103$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com...
>I would disable the onboard video and add a nice video card,,, PCI Express

I just checked and the Optiplex SX270 doesn't have expansion slots. 

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message 
news:Xns9B5E59F57832ReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...
> Tom added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell
>> SX-270 PC with 2gb ram and onboard video out.
>> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out
>> there.  I went to a local best buy to compare monitors but
>> they seemed to have low end monitors on display.  (the 25.5 "
>> monitor sure looks like).
>
> Don't rely on ratings. They do not at all represent your needs nor
> do they predict what YOU will see. Best to bring a camera memory
> card with you with some images or whatever kinds of data you want
> to use to the store and "encourage" them to show you the monitor(s)
> you're interested in using YOUR data and NOT canned video the store
> provides.
>
> And, be sure to ask what resolutions are supported besides the
> 16:10 wide-screen natural resolution. Also, look at Samsung.
>

very good points! 

Tom added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>>> Hi, I'm going to buy a 24" monitor to be used with my Dell
>>> SX-270 PC with 2gb ram and onboard video out.
>>> The Dell 2408WFP seems to be the top rated 24" monitor out
>>> there.  I went to a local best buy to compare monitors but
>>> they seemed to have low end monitors on display.  (the 25.5
>>> " monitor sure looks like). 
>>
>> Don't rely on ratings. They do not at all represent your
>> needs nor do they predict what YOU will see. Best to bring a
>> camera memory card with you with some images or whatever
>> kinds of data you want to use to the store and "encourage"
>> them to show you the monitor(s) you're interested in using
>> YOUR data and NOT canned video the store provides. 
>>
>> And, be sure to ask what resolutions are supported besides
>> the 16:10 wide-screen natural resolution. Also, look at
>> Samsung. 
> 
> very good points! 
> 
Tom, about every time monitor resolution comes up for wide-screens, 
there is a LOT of controversy swirling around aspect ratio. For me, 
Windows cannot un-distort my pictures if I choose a supported 
resolution other than for the original image and neither can Paint 
Shop Pro, but I'm led to believe that PhotoShop and other apps can. 
So, for my 4:3 images, I need to select one that IS that, and for a 
wide-screen image, I can go that way, but pretty much I am stuck 
with black bars at the left and right. I'd prefer to still be able 
to buy a large 4:3 monitor but no longer can since I suppose the 
industry changed to support video, DVDs, and the like. Plus, it is 
impossible to support all the aspect ratios of digital cameras and 
the like.

FWIW, when I buy anything, I rely about 5-10% on reviews, another 
5-10% on first-hand testimonials, and the rest on actually looking 
at or trying the thing I'm interested in. The problem always seems 
to be that not everyone views technology in the same way since 
their needs and wants vary so much, which makes perfect sense.

Good luck and have a great weekend!

-- 
HP, aka Jerry

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained 
by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message 
news:Xns9B5EC19B59628ReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...
> Tom added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>>> Don't rely on ratings. They do not at all represent your
>>> needs nor do they predict what YOU will see. Best to bring a
>>> camera memory card with you with some images or whatever
>>> kinds of data you want to use to the store and "encourage"
>>> them to show you the monitor(s) you're interested in using
>>> YOUR data and NOT canned video the store provides.
>>>
>>> And, be sure to ask what resolutions are supported besides
>>> the 16:10 wide-screen natural resolution. Also, look at
>>> Samsung.
>>
>> very good points!
>>
> Tom, about every time monitor resolution comes up for wide-screens,
> there is a LOT of controversy swirling around aspect ratio. For me,
> Windows cannot un-distort my pictures if I choose a supported
> resolution other than for the original image and neither can Paint
> Shop Pro, but I'm led to believe that PhotoShop and other apps can.
> So, for my 4:3 images, I need to select one that IS that, and for a
> wide-screen image, I can go that way, but pretty much I am stuck
> with black bars at the left and right. I'd prefer to still be able
> to buy a large 4:3 monitor but no longer can since I suppose the
> industry changed to support video, DVDs, and the like. Plus, it is
> impossible to support all the aspect ratios of digital cameras and
> the like.
>
> FWIW, when I buy anything, I rely about 5-10% on reviews, another
> 5-10% on first-hand testimonials, and the rest on actually looking
> at or trying the thing I'm interested in. The problem always seems
> to be that not everyone views technology in the same way since
> their needs and wants vary so much, which makes perfect sense.
>
> Good luck and have a great weekend!
>
> -- 
> HP, aka Jerry
>
> "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained
> by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor

Very good points.  Apparently my PC's built in graphics will only support 
4x3 resolution so I going to buy a new PC as I need one anyway.

Tom added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> Very good points.  Apparently my PC's built in graphics will
> only support 4x3 resolution so I going to buy a new PC as I
> need one anyway. 
> 
Tom, so does my ATI Radeon and it is a damn good one. But, are you 
sure that it supports NO other resolutions at all? In my case, the 
dang thing WILL display really strange ones, like 1280 x 1024 
rather than the 4:3 1280 x 960 and 1360 x 1024 which looks like it 
is about right but looks rather strange.

Also, wrt aspect ratio, the apps that you use MAY display correctly 
even if Windows itself cannot. Or, so I've been told whenever I 
complain about my monitor's 1920 x 1200 native resolution which is 
16:10. I CAN use it, and do when very occasionally viewing a wide-
screen movie DVD, but ordinary digital camera images look severely 
squashed as I would expect.

The VERY best advice I can offer if you must buy now - or just want 
to - is to verify the resolutions the monitor itself can support 
AND whether it has some sort of set-up option, as my Samsung does, 
that allows you to set "Wide" vs. "Normal" which may well solve any 
distortion issues.

Good luck and have a great Sunday!

-- 
HP, aka Jerry

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained 
by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor

> The Dell 2408WFP

I bought one based on all the reviews I read because I wanted to go larger. 
My previous monitor was a samsung which I was very happy with.

The main problem out of the box was the brightness and the reviews say that. 
At the 'out-of-the-box' brightness level, I would get a headache quickly. 
The review sites tell you how to adjust the monitor's rgb values to turn 
down the brightness.

The second thing I noticed is when looking at the screen out of the side of 
my eyes, I notice some vibration which I did not see with the samsung.

The bottom line is, it took a few weeks to get used to the monitor and at 
one point, I wondered if I was a victim of the panel lottery.

--g

"Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote...
>
> Very good points.  Apparently my PC's built in graphics will only support 4x3 
> resolution so I going to buy a new PC as I need one anyway.

Are you sure?  Make sure your Display tab isn't set to show only resolutions 
supported by currently connected hardware...

geoff added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>> The Dell 2408WFP
> 
> I bought one based on all the reviews I read because I wanted
> to go larger. My previous monitor was a samsung which I was
> very happy with. 
> 
> The main problem out of the box was the brightness and the
> reviews say that. At the 'out-of-the-box' brightness level, I
> would get a headache quickly. The review sites tell you how to
> adjust the monitor's rgb values to turn down the brightness.

Yeah, big time! I've noticed that ALL monitors and ALL TVs in 
stores these days are really bright and really contrasty. I've 
toned mine WAY down and it is still overly bright/contrasty which 
makes it that much more difficult to properly post-process my 
digital pictures.

> The second thing I noticed is when looking at the screen out
> of the side of my eyes, I notice some vibration which I did
> not see with the samsung. 

Don't see that with my 26" Samsung

> The bottom line is, it took a few weeks to get used to the
> monitor and at one point, I wondered if I was a victim of the
> panel lottery. 
> 
-- 
HP, aka Jerry

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained 
by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor

"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
news:r%hWk.15584$ak2.12934@fe08.news.easynews.com: 

>> The Dell 2408WFP
> 
> I bought one based on all the reviews I read because I wanted to go
> larger. My previous monitor was a samsung which I was very happy with.
> 
> The main problem out of the box was the brightness and the reviews say
> that. At the 'out-of-the-box' brightness level, I would get a headache
> quickly. The review sites tell you how to adjust the monitor's rgb
> values to turn down the brightness.
> 
> The second thing I noticed is when looking at the screen out of the side
> of my eyes, I notice some vibration which I did not see with the
> samsung. 
> 
Try a combination of increasing what windows "calls" the refresh rate
and/or lowering resolution. It sounds like flicker. 

-- 
(setq (chuck nil)  car(chuck) )

"John Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ggcbih$bf$1@news.motzarella.org...
> "Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote...
>>
>> Very good points.  Apparently my PC's built in graphics will only support
>> 4x3 resolution so I going to buy a new PC as I need one anyway.
>
> Are you sure?  Make sure your Display tab isn't set to show only
> resolutions supported by currently connected hardware...

The following is a list of 32bit resolutions avaible from the built in
video:
>
800x600
1024x768
1152x864
1280x768
1280x1024
1600x1200



>

Tom wrote:
> "John Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ggcbih$bf$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> "Tom" <whizzy@earthlink.com> wrote...
>>> Very good points.  Apparently my PC's built in graphics will only support
>>> 4x3 resolution so I going to buy a new PC as I need one anyway.
>> Are you sure?  Make sure your Display tab isn't set to show only
>> resolutions supported by currently connected hardware...
> 
> The following is a list of 32bit resolutions avaible from the built in
> video:
> 800x600
> 1024x768
> 1152x864
> 1280x768
> 1280x1024
> 1600x1200
> 

This is an archived page from the Intel site. Apparently the original
page is no longer available, but I found a copy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070116044022/http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-013743.htm

If that link doesn't work, the page was archived on a few different dates.

http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-013743.htm

As far as I know, they're referring to VGA. I don't know how
I'd figure out what your DVI is capable of. It will have
different limitations, due to the cooking up of the
various reduced blanking modes. (That takes effort
from the driver writer, and isn't particularly a
hardware issue.)

So it would seem the list is a bit bigger than that.

For your DVI output, this is the technology I was thinking of.
The picture here shows an ADD card. It plugs into the AGP slot,
and has a SIL164 DVI transmitter or equivalent on it. The thing
is, they can take the chips off this card, and solder them to your
motherboard, to drive a DVI output. And that is because the
AGP slot is not being used for anything (not for upgrading),
so the tiny chips here can be permanently connected.

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-009166.htm

While in theory, the SIL164 type device could support 1920x1200
at 60Hz, sometimes there are internal data rate issues inside
the GPU, that prevent it.

Here is another of those helpful pages from Intel.

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-022544.htm

So I downloaded the 865G datasheet, and on PDF page 178, is makes the
claim they could do 2048x1536 via two DVO ports (connected to the
DVI transmitter chip). But that doesn't mean that the
implementation works that way.

http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/25251405.pdf

As an example of a DVI transmitter, this one has two 12 bit interfaces.
And the 865G has two 12 bit interfaces multiplexed on the AGP pins.
The datasheet here claims up to "UXGA" display resolution on DVI.

http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/SiI-DS-0021-E-164.pdf

 From the Wikipedia page on DVI -

UXGA (1600 � 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)

The question would then be, whether Intel can change the
setup of the 865G output to use this format. As long as the
"clock number" stays under 165MHz, it should work.

WUXGA (1920 � 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)

    Paul

>
> This is an archived page from the Intel site. Apparently the original
> page is no longer available, but I found a copy.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070116044022/http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-013743.htm
>
> If that link doesn't work, the page was archived on a few different dates.
>
> http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-013743.htm
>
> As far as I know, they're referring to VGA. I don't know how
> I'd figure out what your DVI is capable of. It will have
> different limitations, due to the cooking up of the
> various reduced blanking modes. (That takes effort
> from the driver writer, and isn't particularly a
> hardware issue.)
>
> So it would seem the list is a bit bigger than that.
>
> For your DVI output, this is the technology I was thinking of.
> The picture here shows an ADD card. It plugs into the AGP slot,
> and has a SIL164 DVI transmitter or equivalent on it. The thing
> is, they can take the chips off this card, and solder them to your
> motherboard, to drive a DVI output. And that is because the
> AGP slot is not being used for anything (not for upgrading),
> so the tiny chips here can be permanently connected.
>
> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel865g/sb/CS-009166.htm
>
> While in theory, the SIL164 type device could support 1920x1200
> at 60Hz, sometimes there are internal data rate issues inside
> the GPU, that prevent it.
>
> Here is another of those helpful pages from Intel.
>
> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-022544.htm
>
> So I downloaded the 865G datasheet, and on PDF page 178, is makes the
> claim they could do 2048x1536 via two DVO ports (connected to the
> DVI transmitter chip). But that doesn't mean that the
> implementation works that way.
>
> http://download.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/25251405.pdf
>
> As an example of a DVI transmitter, this one has two 12 bit interfaces.
> And the 865G has two 12 bit interfaces multiplexed on the AGP pins.
> The datasheet here claims up to "UXGA" display resolution on DVI.
>
> http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/SiI-DS-0021-E-164.pdf
>
> From the Wikipedia page on DVI -
>
> UXGA (1600 � 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)
>
> The question would then be, whether Intel can change the
> setup of the 865G output to use this format. As long as the
> "clock number" stays under 165MHz, it should work.
>
> WUXGA (1920 � 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)
>
>    Paul

Much thanks for all the information and the time and effort you put into it.
My PC is getting long in the tooth and I've decided to buy a new one .

Thanks again,

tom 

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>
>>> The Dell 2408WFP
>
>> The second thing I noticed is when looking at the screen out
>> of the side of my eyes, I notice some vibration which I did
>> not see with the samsung.
>
> Don't see that with my 26" Samsung

How much did your 26" samsung cost?
>
>> The bottom line is, it took a few weeks to get used to the
>> monitor and at one point, I wondered if I was a victim of the
>> panel lottery.
>>