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On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:44:00 GMT, jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:

>When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
>and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
>there will be a peace within Canada.

Don't bet on it.

>Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
>culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? 

What does one have to do with the other? And isn't Quebec one of the
things that makes Canada different?

>Quebec is WAY more different
>than the USA as a whole. 

Ah, you agree.

>Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
>Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.

Sure. 
What's your point?

In article <jsvu7s041j4lhi4k7dq93opie998ktgghm@4ax.com>,
  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>
> Sure.
> What's your point?

Here we go again, eh?

Regards,

Mike


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On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:44:00 GMT, jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:

>When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
>and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
>there will be a peace within Canada.
>Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
>culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? Quebec is WAY more different
>than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
>Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.
>Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
>now?
>

Wherer the hell did this loser come from?

I know a Texan that works with my company, in Texas. He told me last
year that any time we want to kick the British out, just call on us
(meaning his malitia, I think) and they will come to Canada and get
rid of the redcoats. I told him his history was about 150 years out of
date. Didn't faze him. He made a few other comments of similar nature.
And he is a malitia type guy. Also said that 'when we take our gov't
back', America will return to its roots. Gotta love a guy like that.
Oh yeah, lost a gun in a pick-up he was selling and just couldn't find
it. Anywhere. Bummer.

So Jimmy, have you ever seen 'Talking to Americans.' It is a segment
on a CBC show called This Hour has 22 Minutes. The show is mostly left
wing, socialist happy hour (Canadian) humour. Apparently it is shown
on some PBS stations. That is Public Broadcasting Service. Kind of
like the CBC but way more British crap. Anway, Talking to Americans
has our host visiting various American locales and asking such things
like:
In Canada, we want to build a monument like Mt. Rushmore but have
instead Roosevelt, Regan,  Nixon and Mulrooney. The replies are
generally that maybe Nixon should not be included. Nothing about
Mulrooney. BTW, he was one the most villified former PMs in Cdn
history. You can look it up. Another time the Governor of Arkansas
said (repeated): Congratulations Canada on the completion of your
national igloo. Another one was should the UN be doing something about
Russians attacking Chechnya and Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan is a Cdn
province. Most of the Americans interviewed were generally against the
Russian attacking  both places. And these interviews were done at
Columbia University. One of the interviewees was a prof there. They
even got him to say: Congratulations Canada on the completion of the
firts paved road into Toronto. 

You see where this is going?

I have many American colleagues and friends. And I know many
Cannadians living in the US and many Americans living in Canada.  And
I know some Americans who have become Canadian. Hell we even have one
of your draft dodgers running for leadership of the most hated and
heinous pollitical party in BC, the NDP. I would move to the US to
escape Cdn socialism.

But Jimmy, if you start giving unsolicited advise in this or any other
Cdn poli type NG, expect to get flamed. And please do some research.
We are so close and yet so far. And our countries are such good
friends. Mostly.


>Jim Foss,
>Oconomowoc,WI 53066
>jimh_foss@execpc.com, jim_foss@my-deja.com
>
>
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>Before you buy.

It is a bit odd, but in general, I think Canada has done rather well by
keeping its monarchy.  As an American (or should I say a citizen of the US)
I am, of course, proud of the achievments of my country.  However, I am a
firm monarchist.  One does not have to "overthrow" the past to make a better
future.  I think that is the point of the Canadian experience when compared
to the US experience.  We are a nation of revolutionaries.  That factt has
permeated our entire history from the Puritans to the Revolution to Lewis &
Clark to the War between the States, to our revolutionary technological
developments of the past century.

On the other hand, Canada has developed rather well without all the fuss.
The US has "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."  Canada has
"peace, order, and good government."  Both nations have their problems, of
course.  But seems to me that Canada has advanced as far as the US has
without nearly as much uproar.  Who knows what the future will bring?  Maybe
Canada's upheaval is around the corner.  Maybe the US's return to the
Commonwealth is around the corner.  I stretch credibility to make the
point.  We have both done well so far, but Canada did it without tossing out
its history.

I should say that I strongly believe that the monarchy is much more than a
relic of history.  From my understanding of the Canadian system, the
monarchy is very real.  It may be a minister exercising power on behalf of
Her Majesty, but it's still the crown acting,

The Canadian system is interesting.  If I had more time, I think a study of
the political thoughts of the various peoples in the various provinces would
be wonderful.  But, alas, I must work!

Thanks for listening.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:26:35 -0500, philip252@mindspring.com wrote:

>It is a bit odd, but in general, I think Canada has done rather well by
>keeping its monarchy.  As an American (or should I say a citizen of the US)
>I am, of course, proud of the achievments of my country.  However, I am a
>firm monarchist.  One does not have to "overthrow" the past to make a better
>future.  I think that is the point of the Canadian experience when compared
>to the US experience.  We are a nation of revolutionaries.  That factt has
>permeated our entire history from the Puritans to the Revolution to Lewis &
>Clark to the War between the States, to our revolutionary technological
>developments of the past century.
>
>On the other hand, Canada has developed rather well without all the fuss.
>The US has "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."  Canada has
>"peace, order, and good government."  Both nations have their problems, of
>course.  But seems to me that Canada has advanced as far as the US has
>without nearly as much uproar.  Who knows what the future will bring?  Maybe
>Canada's upheaval is around the corner.  Maybe the US's return to the
>Commonwealth is around the corner.  I stretch credibility to make the
>point.  We have both done well so far, but Canada did it without tossing out
>its history.

Canada is largely a cold, kind of boring place. The people are nice
enough but a nation with a cop as its symbol? Peace, order and good
gov't means too much gov't. Since the crown is supposed to have
overweening (sp?) rights to property (that German family again), we
have weak property rights. Given the choice between a cop and the
right to 'life, liberty and the persuit of happiness', I will take the
latter. 
>
>I should say that I strongly believe that the monarchy is much more than a
>relic of history.  From my understanding of the Canadian system, the
>monarchy is very real.  It may be a minister exercising power on behalf of
>Her Majesty, but it's still the crown acting,

Aren't the Kenedy's enough? America's arostocracy comes not from
ancient rights by feudal thugs but the creation of wealth. It is the
right to property, information, assembly and to have freedom to create
wealth that creates great countries. Canada has some of these things
but it has been ground into us that amassing wealth is some how dirty
and not to be talked about. Ever see a Canadian, in Canada in that
stupid Lifestyles of the Rich and Infamous? 
>
>The Canadian system is interesting.  If I had more time, I think a study of
>the political thoughts of the various peoples in the various provinces would
>be wonderful.  But, alas, I must work!

Shalom baby.
>
>Thanks for listening.
>

On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:41:07 GMT, dontbugme@home.com (Bad Daddy)
wrote:

>Canada is largely a cold, kind of boring place.

That's a matter of opinion. I find many exciting aspects of Canada and
I don't find it particularly cold every day.

>a cop as its symbol? 

I thought it was the Beaver? The Maple Leaf?
A cop may be *a* symbol but it is not *the* symbol.

>overweening (sp?) rights to property (that German family again),

Huh?

>have weak property rights. Given the choice between a cop and the
>right to 'life, liberty and the persuit of happiness', I will take the
>latter. 

Well you're north of the border so apparently you won't.
So what's holding you up. Head out McNight, look for all the lights,
and jump on one of them there big metal birds.
Love it or leave it baby.

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Sammi wrote:
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> On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:41:07 GMT, dontbugme@home.com (Bad Daddy)
> wrote:
> 
> >Canada is largely a cold, kind of boring place.
> 
> That's a matter of opinion. I find many exciting aspects of Canada and
> I don't find it particularly cold every day.
> 
> >a cop as its symbol?
> 
> I thought it was the Beaver? The Maple Leaf?
> A cop may be *a* symbol but it is not *the* symbol.
> 
> >overweening (sp?) rights to property (that German family again),
> 
> Huh?
> 
> >have weak property rights. Given the choice between a cop and the
> >right to 'life, liberty and the persuit of happiness', I will take the
> >latter.
> 
> Well you're north of the border so apparently you won't.
> So what's holding you up. Head out McNight, look for all the lights,
> and jump on one of them there big metal birds.
> Love it or leave it baby.

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Neill McKay (nmckay@nb.sympatico.ca.NOSPAM) wrote:
: jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote

: >The current situation upsets most French, Irish and native Canadians.

: I don't, for a moment, believe that you speak for any number of French,
: Irish, or Native Canadians (and certainly not for all three groups).

Canada's Irish population is descended from slightly more
Orange than Green, while America's is almost entirely Green.
Those Orangemen would have greater tendency to be royalist.

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:47:08 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:

>In article <nvfv7sklae77s08hgrqvq5tar1achu1hpb@4ax.com>,
>  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:48 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> >I always wondered where they find these people?  I've always felt
>such
>> >shows were staged for the most part.  But that's funny.
>>
>> As a Canadian who has recently moved to the States ( year and a half)
>> I find some of the ideas hilarious, though I do not take offence.
>
>Which part of the States?  How do you like it?

I spent the first year in Ann Arbor, Michigan working for the
University of Michigan. Ann Arbor is known as a , umm, liberal town,
for lack of a better description. Very interesting and quite
enjoyable.
Ileft the UofM and now work as a consultant placed at GM. Living and
working in the Detroit area. Still very interesting and not at all
what I would have expected. Never did I imagine I would be living in
Detroit, what with the ideas most Canadians have of the city.
I've spent time, work related, in Boston and in Kentucky.
Detroit has some problems to be sure, but there is a lot of exciting
things going on.
Boston just blew me away, I loved it. I crammed a lot of play around
my work and stayed an extra 3 days.
Kentucky was very interesting. Very friendly, a southern atmosphere,
bible belt (I was in Richmond), very small town American I might say.
Everywhere I have been people have been open and quite welcoming. All
would break into a smile when learning I am Canadian, and most spot it
in the first 10 minutes.
I miss Alberta greatly but am enjoying the experience here, it is very
educational.

jim_foss@my-deja.com a �crit :

> When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
> propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
> whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
> and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
> there will be a peace within Canada.
> Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
> culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? Quebec is WAY more different
> than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
> Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.
> Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
> now?
>
> Jim Foss,
> Oconomowoc,WI 53066

Geez,  just what the world needed, another foreigner sticking his nose into
our business.
For the record, should we ever get rid of the monarchy, it will be done
democratically, and not in some barbaric "overthrowing".

JR




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Here's a thought. When will ethno-centric Americans mind their own business?

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<jim_foss@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:85nu9s$cc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
> propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
> whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
> and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
> there will be a peace within Canada.
> Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
> culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? Quebec is WAY more different
> than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
> Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.
> Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
> now?
>
> Jim Foss,
> Oconomowoc,WI 53066
> jimh_foss@execpc.com, jim_foss@my-deja.com
>
>
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<jim_foss@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:85nu9s$cc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
> propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
> whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
> and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
> there will be a peace within Canada.

You not really so uninformed that you think that will have any significant
effect on acheving political "peace" in Canada?  If you, you clearly know
nothing about the political disputes going on.

> Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
> now?

Maybe when there is some significant advantage to be had from doing so.

Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote in message
news:qsvv7s41djkigljbd6smljmleneciu9avq@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:47:08 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >In article <nvfv7sklae77s08hgrqvq5tar1achu1hpb@4ax.com>,
> >  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:48 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:

> Kentucky was very interesting. Very friendly, a southern atmosphere,
> bible belt (I was in Richmond), very small town American I might say.
> Everywhere I have been people have been open and quite welcoming. All
> would break into a smile when learning I am Canadian, and most spot it
> in the first 10 minutes.

I spent a year in Kentucky just south of you in Berea and it was the worse
year of my live.  I suppose that Richmond would not have been as bad as at
least only half the town was dry.  However, besides no real recreational
activities, teaching college students who had never been to a real high
school that taught anything, the very primitive computer facilities and
libraries (did you ever check out EKU's "library"?), etc, I suppose the
scenery was nice.  I also found the people friendly to begin with but I soon
realized that it was very superficial.  All their socializing was really
done with their church groups.

Well we are on the topic of American stories, when I was in Odessa, Texas, a
secretary actually asked me if Canada was still part of Britain or if it was
now part of the U.S.  Having had some experience with the U.S. education
system by this time I was no longer surprised by this type of thing..

In article <4yVf4.280$Jw5.4096@news.clear.net.nz>,
  "Derek Pyne" <d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> Well we are on the topic of American stories, when I was in Odessa,
Texas, a
> secretary actually asked me if Canada was still part of Britain or if
it was
> now part of the U.S.  Having had some experience with the U.S.
education
> system by this time I was no longer surprised by this type of thing..


Well, I've been all over the world and I have stories similar and even
worse than this in just about every place.  Point is, the Americans are
held up to very high standards that very few could meet.  Most people
get their information on America from the media and Jerry Springer.
That makes them just as ignorant as we are for all intents and
purposes.  You see, we have a natural "disadvantage" of living in a
very large geographical area isolated from most of the rest of the
world where most of us never need to leave the country for our entire
lives and detailed knowledge about country X is not necessary to go
about our daily lives. A secretary in Texas comes to mind as a good
example.

Be that as it may, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and chuckle.
We seem to be doing fairly well in spite of all these idiots.

Regards,

Mike


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In article <85oru2$kds$2@gail.ripco.com>, Gary L. Dare <gld@ripco.com> wrote:
>philip252@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>: Maybe the US's return to the Commonwealth is around the corner.
>
>If PEOPLE magazine and TV tabloids are an indicator,
>Americans are more ga-ga over the Windsors than the
>Canadians. (-;
>
>--
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>gld@ripco.com
>
>Ripco, Chicago's Oldest Online Information Service

Canada's Head of State will always stay the same.

Credit Trudeau for the current constitutional deadlock.
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In article <qsvv7s41djkigljbd6smljmleneciu9avq@4ax.com>,
  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>
>
> I spent the first year in Ann Arbor, Michigan working for the
> University of Michigan. Ann Arbor is known as a , umm, liberal town,
> for lack of a better description. Very interesting and quite
> enjoyable.
> Ileft the UofM and now work as a consultant placed at GM. Living and
> working in the Detroit area. Still very interesting and not at all
> what I would have expected. Never did I imagine I would be living in
> Detroit, what with the ideas most Canadians have of the city.
> I've spent time, work related, in Boston and in Kentucky.
> Detroit has some problems to be sure, but there is a lot of exciting
> things going on.
> Boston just blew me away, I loved it. I crammed a lot of play around
> my work and stayed an extra 3 days.
> Kentucky was very interesting. Very friendly, a southern atmosphere,
> bible belt (I was in Richmond), very small town American I might say.
> Everywhere I have been people have been open and quite welcoming. All
> would break into a smile when learning I am Canadian, and most spot it
> in the first 10 minutes.
> I miss Alberta greatly but am enjoying the experience here, it is very
> educational.
>

I have a buddy who was born and raised in the Detroit area and went to
U of M, so I do get the "propaganda" about how California, where I'm
at, should get with it and be more like Michigan, FWIW.  I have no
idea.  However, even I have always had reservations about Detroit...it
certainly lacks an attractive image for some reason.

Its good to hear someone having a good time for once instead of
complaining.  Good for you.  But tell me, is Alberta any different in
geography than Montana?  At night in the summer, it gets cold enough to
see your own breath, and they sell extra concentrated pepper spray in
canisters as large as fire extinguishers.  For the grizzlies you know.

Regards,

Mike


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On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:41:49 +1300, "Derek Pyne"
<d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:

>I spent a year in Kentucky just south of you in Berea and it was the worse
>year of my live.  I suppose that Richmond would not have been as bad as at
>least only half the town was dry.

The town was literally split down the middle, defined by the freeway.
Did you realize that or were you speaking in general? Anyhow on the
west side of the freeway, no drinks to be had. On the east, no
problem. Another thing, I wanted to buy a Playboy (excellent reading
don't you know) and I couldn't find one anywhere in town.


>libraries (did you ever check out EKU's "library"?), 

Although I saw the campus I never entered any facilities.

>etc, I suppose the
>scenery was nice.

It is nice country, and you could see the Smokey Mountains from high
ground.

>  I also found the people friendly to begin with but I soon
>realized that it was very superficial.  All their socializing was really
>done with their church groups.

Hmm, I wasn't there long enough to see this pattern. I am inclined to
take your word for reasons I would rather not go into.

>Well we are on the topic of American stories, when I was in Odessa, Texas, a
>secretary actually asked me if Canada was still part of Britain or if it was
>now part of the U.S.  Having had some experience with the U.S. education
>system by this time I was no longer surprised by this type of thing..

I have heard many times "We just consider you guys a part of us."

On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 11:11:17 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:

> However, even I have always had reservations about Detroit...it
>certainly lacks an attractive image for some reason.

Detroit, if I may speak for Canadians, has always held the reputation
of "Murder City" and not safe for any white man. Now there are
certainly some neighborhoods that are quite scary. I've taken wrong
turns and ended up in places that made me very, very nervous. To be
sure Canadian cities have there rough areas, and I've seen them far
too intimately in Toronto and Vancouver, but really nothing compared
to some Detroit neighborhoods. They look like war zones and the people
are walking around with angry, hopeless, or dejected looks on their
faces. This is somewhat of a generalization but is truly something I
noticed. Detroit is very much divided into ethnic enclaves; Blacks,
Whites, Greek, Polish, "Hillbilly". Again, so are Canadian cities but
not to this extent IMO. With all this said I am still enjoying Detroit
and as a whole the people, all people, have been friendly and open.
The fact I am in the States becomes less relevant every day, until I
experience something, a phrase of service, that seems uniquely
American. This is also the mildest winters I have ever experienced, I
shake my head at what these people consider cold. Of course, I spent
over 10 years in the Nothern Alberta oil fields.

>Its good to hear someone having a good time for once instead of
>complaining. 

I am often villified in Canadian groups for defending the States. Most
of the detractors have never spent any time here and are spouting knee
jerk proclamations.

> Good for you.  But tell me, is Alberta any different in
>geography than Montana?

I have only been to Montana a few times but it seems very similar.
Prarie land rolling into foothills exploding into the Rockies. It does
seem the Rockies are more rugged in Alberta, I believe due to the
layout of the range.
Alberta seems to be developing the mountain country more than Montana
does.

>  At night in the summer, it gets cold enough to
>see your own breath, 

Sounds like Alberta ;-)

>and they sell extra concentrated pepper spray in
>canisters as large as fire extinguishers.  For the grizzlies you know.

Darn fine idea.

Ryan Young (ryanyoung24NOrySPAM@hotmail.com.invalid) wrote:

: > Dollarization by Canada removes control of interest
: > rates to the Fed. The high interest rates by the US
: > to sustain its massive national debt are not suitable
: > for Canada, which has recorded
: > two balanced budgets in a row, third on the way,
: > [By the way, that's a real balanced federal budget,
: > unlike Washington's that borrows Social Security
: > public pension funds to close operating deficits.]

: Do you mean Candada makes budget-cuts despite their
: by-and-large social-oriented policy-making?

First off, the extent of Canada's social infrastructure
is exaggerated.  There are fewer programs than in most
EU countries.  Many programs are broad, affecting most
if not all the population.  The US runs quite a trough
but with many, many, many small and targeted programs.
For example, one of you guys reading this is being paid
not to grow fava beans ...

: And are there planned to be further cuts on the
: current year's one?

More unessentials, hopefully.

: I didn't get you straight on the issue of differences
: between the Washington/Ottawa plans, aren't the Canadians
: cutting health care projects and funds?

Not so much cutting (except unessentials) as capping
its expenditures.  Canada achieved balanced federal
budgets by matching revenues with expenditures and
debt obligations.  Spending increases were limited
to reduction in debt obligations.  Federal tax cuts
are anticipated from savings in debt obligations,
as much as 20% over 5 years.  (We'll see ...)

Washington ran real deficits through last year when
the Asian Flu struck.  So many US Treasury bonds were
available at higher interest rates while Canada had
few available (mainly for refinancing existing debt)
at lower interest rates.

By the way, the same national debt/interest rate
reductions are made in the US.  See Alan Greenspan's
mid-year 1999 Humphrey-Hawkins testimony to Congress.

: And do you agree that if so, Canada is approaching
: Americanized way of capitalism basically every year?

Canada has never not been a capitalist country.  The
difference has been Canada's greater inflexibilities
(e.g., regulation, no interprovincial commerce act)
and small markets (unevenly distributed; 1 of 8 live
in metro Toronto).  America's huge domestic market
and favorable geography make it gifted.  Even the
EU has seen similar benefits as border controls to
free enterprise fall and make a pseudo-domestic
market of 400 Million possible.

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Gary L. Dare wrote:

> high interest rates by the US to sustain its massive
> national debt (where did all those T-bills soaking
> up money fleeing the Asian Flu come from?) are not
> suitable for Canada, which has recorded two balanced
> budgets in a row, third on the way, and an economy
> that is 20% natural resources (and commodity prices
> low, just recovering) ... thus requiring a lower
> interest rate.

But that's the same logic that was used for 30 years to justify a
*higher* interest rate.

Gary L. Dare wrote:
utting health care projects and funds?
> 
> Not so much cutting (except unessentials) as capping
> its expenditures.  Canada achieved balanced federal
> budgets by matching revenues with expenditures and
> debt obligations.  Spending increases were limited
> to reduction in debt obligations.  Federal tax cuts
> are anticipated from savings in debt obligations,
> as much as 20% over 5 years.  (We'll see ...)

Not exactly.  Revenues were raised through higher taxes (CPP, deindexing
of brackets, etc.) and cutting transfers to provinces - which forced
provinces to make some cuts.  Fortunately the spillover from the US
helped our economy, raising revenues and reducing expenditures on
unemployment, welfare, etc.

In article <08335b66.ad9e4a9a@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com>,
Ryan Young  <ryanyoung24NOrySPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <85oqt9$k43$1@gail.ripco.com>, gld@ripco.com (Gary L. Dare)
>wrote:
>
>> Dollarization by Canada removes control of interest
>> rates to the Fed. The high interest rates by the US to sustain its
>>massive national debt are not suitable for Canada, which has recorded
>>two balanced budgets in a row, third on the way,
>> [By the way, that's a real balanced federal budget,
>> unlike Washington's that borrows Social Security
>> public pension funds to close operating deficits.]
>
>Do you mean Candada makes budget-cuts despite their by-and-large
>social-oriented policy-making? And are there planned to be further cuts
>on the current year's one? I didn't get you straight on the issue of
>differences between the Washington/Ottawa plans, aren't the Canadians
>cutting health care projects and funds?
>And do you agree that if so, Canada is approaching Americanized way of
>capitalism basically every year?
>
>
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Noted:  Tossing the Monarchy out would mean jacking the debt.
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In article <b5218sgohudjhudici7s2o0nkltjmbc3hq@4ax.com>,
  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:

> The town was literally split down the middle, defined by the freeway.
> Did you realize that or were you speaking in general? Anyhow on the
> west side of the freeway, no drinks to be had. On the east, no
> problem. Another thing, I wanted to buy a Playboy (excellent reading
> don't you know) and I couldn't find one anywhere in town.

Get a subscription. That works! ;)

Regards,

Mike


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Ed Lenarcic (ed@interlog.com) wrote:
: Gary L. Dare wrote:

: > high interest rates by the US to sustain its massive
: > national debt (where did all those T-bills soaking
: > up money fleeing the Asian Flu come from?) are not
: > suitable for Canada, which has recorded two balanced
: > budgets in a row, third on the way, and an economy
: > that is 20% natural resources (and commodity prices
: > low, just recovering) ... thus requiring a lower
: > interest rate.

: But that's the same logic that was used for 30 years
: to justify a *higher* interest rate.

Higher interest rates were instituted in Canada by John
Crow to combat inflation (the 80's were a while ago ...
put on some Duran Duran if you can't see that! (-;).

Lower interest rates stimulate activity in the rest
of the economy when commodity prices are low.  Cheap
money was fine when markets were stable before mid-98.

Balancing public budgets mean the end of deficits and
a halt in the growth of national debt, resulting in a
lowering of interest rates.  This is a universally-
held economic principle, not a Canada-only concept.
Listen to what Republican candidate Sen. John McCain
said on this weekend's campaign debates in Iowa, on
CNN's weekend coverage, or read Hamish McRay's column
in the Independent newspaper from the UK.

--
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Ed Lenarcic (ed@interlog.com) wrote:
: Gary L. Dare wrote:

: > Not so much cutting (except unessentials) as capping
: > its expenditures.  Canada achieved balanced federal
: > budgets by matching revenues with expenditures and
: > debt obligations.  Spending increases were limited
: > to reduction in debt obligations.  Federal tax cuts
: > are anticipated from savings in debt obligations,
: > as much as 20% over 5 years.  (We'll see ...)

: Not exactly.  Revenues were raised through higher taxes
: (CPP, deindexing of brackets, etc.)

Expenditures also had to be controlled, and Ottawa has
not escaped the Laffer Curve in not seeing increases
in revenue as much as bracket creep could yield.  CPP
was still in shortfall and requiring small amounts of
general revenue to help pay all benefits.  The 3%
surtax was cut, unfortunately across two years not
one.  That taxes peaked two years ago is indicated
by tax freedom day retreating back four days in 1999
according to the Fraser Institute, even by their own
pessimistic measure.

: and cutting transfers to provinces - which forced
: provinces to make some cuts.

: Fortunately the spillover from the US helped our economy,
: raising revenues and reducing expenditures on unemployment,
: welfare, etc.

What economies exist in isolation besides North Korea?
Growth in the Canadian economy also helps the US, like
in sales of Apple i-Mac computers.

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jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:
: When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
: propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
: whith actual functions?

When will the Canadians finally renounce any idea of ever,to the
end of time,ceasing to be a Monarchy,and accept that the Queen has
every right to override every decision of elected officials,as
inheritance is a better means of choosing leaders?

: The current situation upsets most French, Irish
: and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
: there will be a peace within Canada.

Canada being loyal to the common Crown is why it is not part of the USA.

: Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
: culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go?

If Quebec can't bend the knee to the Queen,by all means tow it into
the Atlantic and sink it.

: Quebec is WAY more different
: than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
: Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.
: Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
: now?

When the USA finally says sorry for 1776 and joins the Commonwealth?
 
: Jim Foss,
: Oconomowoc,WI 53066
: jimh_foss@execpc.com, jim_foss@my-deja.com

In article <387f89ef.251699412@news.vic.sfl.net>,
  dontbugme@home.com (Bad Daddy) wrote:
>
> So Jimmy, have you ever seen 'Talking to Americans.' It is a segment
> on a CBC show called This Hour has 22 Minutes. The show is mostly left
> wing, socialist happy hour (Canadian) humour. Apparently it is shown
> on some PBS stations. That is Public Broadcasting Service. Kind of
> like the CBC but way more British crap. Anway, Talking to Americans
> has our host visiting various American locales and asking such things
> like:
> In Canada, we want to build a monument like Mt. Rushmore but have
> instead Roosevelt, Regan,  Nixon and Mulrooney. The replies are
> generally that maybe Nixon should not be included. Nothing about
> Mulrooney. BTW, he was one the most villified former PMs in Cdn
> history. You can look it up. Another time the Governor of Arkansas
> said (repeated): Congratulations Canada on the completion of your
> national igloo. Another one was should the UN be doing something about
> Russians attacking Chechnya and Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan is a Cdn
> province. Most of the Americans interviewed were generally against the
> Russian attacking  both places. And these interviews were done at
> Columbia University. One of the interviewees was a prof there. They
> even got him to say: Congratulations Canada on the completion of the
> firts paved road into Toronto.
>
> You see where this is going?

I always wondered where they find these people?  I've always felt such
shows were staged for the most part.  But that's funny.

That reminds me of a certain Howard Stern show right before the holidays
where he had two guys from Toronto on the line, and he couldn't get them
off the air so after one of them went on a rant about Americans, he put
them on the spot with the Turkish Millionaire spoof he does.  These guys
admittedly were well beyond drunk after an all night session with good
pals Johnny Walker and Jim Beam, and needless to say didn't make it to
question number 3 (they had to answer 3 questions to get 1 million in
Turkish currency).

The question:  How many feet in a yard?

The answer: The guys couldn't make up their mind if it was 100, 50, or
25, and so of course after losing one guy blurted out how we must have a
different Metric system here in America.

>
> I have many American colleagues and friends. And I know many
> Cannadians living in the US and many Americans living in Canada.  And
> I know some Americans who have become Canadian. Hell we even have one
> of your draft dodgers running for leadership of the most hated and
> heinous pollitical party in BC, the NDP. I would move to the US to
> escape Cdn socialism.

I would move out of anywere to get out of socialism.

Regards,

Mike


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On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:48 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:

>I always wondered where they find these people?  I've always felt such
>shows were staged for the most part.  But that's funny.

As a Canadian who has recently moved to the States ( year and a half)
I find some of the ideas hilarious, though I do not take offence. 

One example: when I was opening a bank account down here I wanted to
transfer info etc. from Bank of Nova Scotia. The American bank manager
asked why I had an account in Scotland!

jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote in message <85nu9s$cc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>whith actual functions? The current situation upsets most French, Irish
>and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
>there will be a peace within Canada.

Canada is definitely not Britain, which is why there is such a position as
the Queen of Canada, separate from that of the Queen of the UK.  Ditto for
the other fourteen or so countries of which she is Queen.  Don't be confused
by the fact that the same person occupies several positions.

I don't, for a moment, believe that you speak for any number of French,
Irish, or Native Canadians (and certainly not for all three groups).

As for electing a 'real persident', I think we can do without a politician
who has 'sexual relations' with junior staff young enough to be his
children, thank you ever so much.  The Crown has a certain dignity which
cannot be found in elected politicians.

>Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
>culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? Quebec is WAY more different

We've never had the opportunity to let Quebec go.  They keep voting to stay.

>than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
>Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.

There are some substantial cultural diferences between the States as well,
aren't there?

>Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
>now?

When, or more accurately if, it should ever prove to be better than our
current system, and popular with the population.  (You could have figured
that one out, couldn't you?)

Neill McKay

On 16 Jan 2000 03:09:18 GMT, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
wrote:

>Jim foss is a subversive set to destroy civilization.

Jim Foss apparently sets high goals.

jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:

: Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy
: as Ecuador is doing now?

No country should change currencies unless it has
participation over its control, or the currency
is independent among all its participants (like
the Euro, or private currencies that existed to
the end of the 19th century).

In "US Senator pushes for monetary union with Canada"
(National Post, 11/18, 1999) Florida Senator Connie
Mack's proposal includes the requirement that the
Federal Reserve Board maintains control of the 
greenback even if Canada adopts it.  The day after,
Reuters reports on their Yahoo! Business page that
Edwin Truman, US Treasury assistant secretary, 
warns other nations that dollarization will be
at their own risk.  Mr. Truman reinforced comments
by then-Secretary Robert Rubin and Alan Greenspan
from last spring, in response to dollarization
proposals in South America: US fiscal policy
will be based only upon the American situation.
Using the US dollar will not add a seat at the
Fed for the Bank of Canada.

Professor Robert Mundell's Nobel-winning work
was based on the Bank of Canada's interest rate
policy being centered on the needs of Ontario
and Quebec, sometimes against the interest of
the West where he lived as a young man.   The
adoption of the US dollar under Washington's
terms would plunge all of Canada into that
situation.  Participating in a quasi-independent
currency like the Euro will be of greater benefit
to Canada as a nation if our loonie continues to
suffer ignorance and neglect on currency markets.

--
Gary L. Dare
gld@ripco.com

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In article <gae28sgb0iggsbi04ah3e5sd313su5tquv@4ax.com>,
Sammi  <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>On 16 Jan 2000 03:09:18 GMT, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>wrote:
>
>>Jim foss is a subversive set to destroy civilization.
>
>Jim Foss apparently sets high goals.
>

Jim FOss is the Lucien Bouchard of English Canada then.
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On 16 Jan 2000 16:38:09 GMT, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
wrote:

>In article <gae28sgb0iggsbi04ah3e5sd313su5tquv@4ax.com>,
>Sammi  <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>>On 16 Jan 2000 03:09:18 GMT, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Jim foss is a subversive set to destroy civilization.
>>
>>Jim Foss apparently sets high goals.
>
>Jim FOss is the Lucien Bouchard of English Canada then.

I don't know Jim Foss, but I kinda pity him already.

In article <am218sgp0ksgt7fg8848os0g0ulbqogj8c@4ax.com>,
  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>
> Detroit, if I may speak for Canadians, has always held the reputation
> of "Murder City" and not safe for any white man. Now there are
> certainly some neighborhoods that are quite scary. I've taken wrong
> turns and ended up in places that made me very, very nervous. To be
> sure Canadian cities have there rough areas, and I've seen them far
> too intimately in Toronto and Vancouver, but really nothing compared
> to some Detroit neighborhoods. They look like war zones and the people
> are walking around with angry, hopeless, or dejected looks on their
> faces. This is somewhat of a generalization but is truly something I
> noticed. Detroit is very much divided into ethnic enclaves; Blacks,
> Whites, Greek, Polish, "Hillbilly". Again, so are Canadian cities but
> not to this extent IMO. With all this said I am still enjoying Detroit
> and as a whole the people, all people, have been friendly and open.
> The fact I am in the States becomes less relevant every day, until I
> experience something, a phrase of service, that seems uniquely
> American.

I see.  In your opinion, what is the difference on the Canadian side?
How would it rate compared to the suburbs on the US side?  Detroit,
along with Buffalo and El Paso, the only major US city to straddle an
international border so closely.  In fact, while you may consider
yourself in exile for the time being, you do have the luxury of visiting
home for lunch or dinner at any time.;)

> This is also the mildest winters I have ever experienced, I
> shake my head at what these people consider cold. Of course, I spent
> over 10 years in the Nothern Alberta oil fields.

That must've paid the bills!  There's good pay in that line of work I
hear.  It does have its drawbacks though.

> I am often villified in Canadian groups for defending the States. Most
> of the detractors have never spent any time here and are spouting knee
> jerk proclamations.

That's too bad.  I don't understand it, but the internet does seem to
attract many with an axe to grind.  Still, my argument is and remains
that its not just Americans that do this.  I bet these people with knee
jerk reactions, I'm almost sure get all their information about America
from the media and watching COPS and Jerry Springer.  Yeah, that's they
way to do it for sure.

Regards,

Mike


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Gary L. Dare (gld@ripco.com) wrote:
: jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:
: 
: : Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy
: : as Ecuador is doing now?
: 
: Ecuador's dollarization will not save its economy
: as long as it maintains its policies, and likely
: bankrupt them from maintaining the dollar linkage.
: 
: Dollarization by Canada removes control of interest
: rates to the Fed.  Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin last
: spring and Lawrence Summers recently warned nations
: in South America that US monetary policy will remain
: centered on US domestic situations only.  So don't
: expect a seat at the Fed for the Bank of Canada.  The
: high interest rates by the US to sustain its massive
: national debt (where did all those T-bills soaking
: up money fleeing the Asian Flu come from?) are not
: suitable for Canada, which has recorded two balanced
: budgets in a row, third on the way, and an economy
: that is 20% natural resources (and commodity prices
: low, just recovering) ... thus requiring a lower
: interest rate.
: 
: [By the way, that's a real balanced federal budget,
: unlike Washington's that borrows Social Security
: public pension funds to close operating deficits.]
: 
: Adopting a quasi-independent currency like the Euro
: would be different, as all other members of the zone
: have equally no control over the ECB's rate setting.

Certainly a North American Dollar Zone
(with a proviso for separating a Quebec franc)
would need to be more than just Canada using the
USA unit.

And it would be great to get the Monarch's picture
on currency down here!!

Gary L. Dare (gld@ripco.com) wrote:
: Neill McKay (nmckay@nb.sympatico.ca.NOSPAM) wrote:
: : jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote
: 
: : >The current situation upsets most French, Irish and native Canadians.
: 
: : I don't, for a moment, believe that you speak for any number of French,
: : Irish, or Native Canadians (and certainly not for all three groups).
: 
: Canada's Irish population is descended from slightly more
: Orange than Green, while America's is almost entirely Green.

I think I've read that there are actually a lot of Orange
heritage Irish-Americans who get bamboozled into the Green
message under the guise of culture.

: Those Orangemen would have greater tendency to be royalist.
: 
: Gary L. Dare
: gld@ripco.com
: 
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:42:52 GMT, michaelkell@earthlink.net wrote:

>In article <am218sgp0ksgt7fg8848os0g0ulbqogj8c@4ax.com>,
>  Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote:
>>
>> The fact I am in the States becomes less relevant every day, until I
>> experience something, a phrase of service, that seems uniquely
>> American.

The above should have read " a phrase OR service", a small but
potentially meaningful typo.

>I see.  In your opinion, what is the difference on the Canadian side?
>How would it rate compared to the suburbs on the US side? 

Detroit doesn't seem to have "suburbs" so much as it has towns that
straddle/adjoin Detroit city proper. To me it is all Detroit, to the
locals there is a distinction. I really can't think of any glaring
differences as to suburbia.

> In fact, while you may consider
>yourself in exile for the time being, you do have the luxury of visiting
>home for lunch or dinner at any time.;)

Quite true, but it's a damn hassle for me to get back into Canada.
Coming back into the States I simply flash my TN-1 and I'm through.
Bizarre, I know. Why the Canadian border guards hassle a Canadian
citizen, I'm talking car searches and extensive documentation checks,
while apparently blind towards illegal immigrants is beyond me.
I'm a semi-long haired white dude, if that's relevant.

>> This is also the mildest winters I have ever experienced, I
>> shake my head at what these people consider cold. Of course, I spent
>> over 10 years in the Nothern Alberta oil fields.
>
>That must've paid the bills!  There's good pay in that line of work I
>hear.  It does have its drawbacks though.

Yeah, living in the bush for months at a time got old. As did the
craziness upon return to civilization. Did a radical career change,
back to college and now manuevering in the corporate world.
I'm very happy for my wilderness experiences and have many fond
memories.

> I'm almost sure get all their information about America
>from the media and watching COPS and Jerry Springer.  Yeah, that's they
>way to do it for sure.

That and from professional anti-America groupies.
Their loss *shrug*.

Sammi <sammi@alt2600.com> wrote in message
news:b5218sgohudjhudici7s2o0nkltjmbc3hq@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:41:49 +1300, "Derek Pyne"
> <d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
>
> >I spent a year in Kentucky just south of you in Berea and it was the
worse
> >year of my live.  I suppose that Richmond would not have been as bad as
at
> >least only half the town was dry.
>
> The town was literally split down the middle, defined by the freeway.
> Did you realize that or were you speaking in general?

That's what I meant when I said it was only 1/2 dry.  It was considered the
party town for students south of there as it was the first place not totally
dry.

In article <XH7g4.255$Ve7.6483@iad-read.news.verio.net>,
Louis Epstein <le@put.com> wrote:
>jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:
>: When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>: propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>: whith actual functions?
>
>When will the Canadians finally renounce any idea of ever,to the
>end of time,ceasing to be a Monarchy,and accept that the Queen has
>every right to override every decision of elected officials,as
>inheritance is a better means of choosing leaders?
>
>: The current situation upsets most French, Irish
>: and native Canadians. Canada is NOT Britain. Only when they realize it,
>: there will be a peace within Canada.
>
>Canada being loyal to the common Crown is why it is not part of the USA.
>
>: Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
>: culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go?
>
>If Quebec can't bend the knee to the Queen,by all means tow it into
>the Atlantic and sink it.
>
>: Quebec is WAY more different
>: than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
>: Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.
>: Last thing, when will Canada dollarize its economy as Ecuador is doing
>: now?
>
>When the USA finally says sorry for 1776 and joins the Commonwealth?
> 
>: Jim Foss,
>: Oconomowoc,WI 53066
>: jimh_foss@execpc.com, jim_foss@my-deja.com

Jim foss is a subversive set to destroy civilization.
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>
> Well, just so you know I'm not making this up, here's a quote from South
> African actress Charlize Theron on Vancouver:
>
> 'Vancouver is very clean and very lovely. You have to use Canadian money
> there, though.  It's very strange.'
> - Entertainment Weekly, Jan21-28, pg27
>
> Mike

Seems there is one thing she does not have to use--her brain!

Jack

<michaelkell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4yVf4.280$Jw5.4096@news.clear.net.nz>,
>   "Derek Pyne" <d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
> >
> > Well we are on the topic of American stories, when I was in Odessa,
> Texas, a
> > secretary actually asked me if Canada was still part of Britain or if
> it was
> > now part of the U.S.  Having had some experience with the U.S.
> education
> > system by this time I was no longer surprised by this type of thing..
>
>
> Well, I've been all over the world and I have stories similar and even
> worse than this in just about every place.  Point is, the Americans are
> held up to very high standards that very few could meet.  Most people
> get their information on America from the media and Jerry Springer.
> That makes them just as ignorant as we are for all intents and
> purposes.

Actually, I have found that high school students in most countries learn
more about American history and geography (at least enough U.S. geography to
know that Canada is not part of the U.S) than many of the American students
I encountered.  However, I agree that when it comes to other issues like
perceptions of the U.S. crime rate, people in other countries tend to think
it is much worse then it is based on the American movies and T.V. they watch
which my be what your referring to.

You see, we have a natural "disadvantage" of living in a
> very large geographical area isolated from most of the rest of the
> world where most of us never need to leave the country for our entire
> lives and detailed knowledge about country X is not necessary to go
> about our daily lives. A secretary in Texas comes to mind as a good
> example.

I agree that that is a factor.  However, I think that more of it has to do
with a very bad public education system that many areas of the U.S. have.
Russians also have a big country but I have not encountered any Russians
students with the same lack of knowledge of the rest of the world (although
I am told that things are very different with older generations of
Russians).  Indeed, many people in most countries have never traveled
internationally but still know something of the rest of the world.  I am not
unique in this regard.  I have talked to other people who have experience
teaching both American and Canadian universities students and the general
feeling seems to be that American students are about two years behind.  This
is  not to say that Americans are not born as smart or anything like that.
It only says that they are 'disadvantaged (to use your term) by a bad
education system.

> Be that as it may, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and chuckle.
> We seem to be doing fairly well in spite of all these idiots.

Actually, I can only chuckle about it now that I am no longer living there.
At the time it was frustrating but in hindsight I can see the humour.

jrpellan <jrpellan@cyberbeach.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
38800CCB.FBF82B3F@cyberbeach.net...
| jim_foss@my-deja.com a �crit :

| > Another point - if Canada considers itself so different from the US
| > culturally, why doesn't it let Quebec go? Quebec is WAY more different
| > than the USA as a whole. Plus, the difference WITHIN Canada between
| > Eastern-Western provinces is considerable and obvious.

Switzerland *works* with different cultures (for centuries)
Just because there are differences in culture within Canada one doesn't
split
a country with this cultural history and diversity.
I know US-americans who traveled or live in Switzerland and love this
country
because of the different cultures within its borders.
All my years I spent in Canada I really did appreciate Quebec for
being culturally different.
It's a *luxury* for a nation having different cultures.
Regards
Wolfgang

|  | Geez,  just what the world needed, another foreigner sticking his nose
into
| our business

P.S. Sorry for sticking my nose in here but I have to...


| " L'accent du pays o� l'on est n� demeure dans l'esprit et dans le cour,
| comme dans le langage. " La Rochefoucauld
|
|

In article <SAqg4.397$Jw5.5671@news.clear.net.nz>,
  "Derek Pyne" <d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
>

> I agree that that is a factor.  However, I think that more of it has
to do
> with a very bad public education system that many areas of the U.S.
have.
> Russians also have a big country but I have not encountered any
Russians
> students with the same lack of knowledge of the rest of the world
(although
> I am told that things are very different with older generations of
> Russians).  Indeed, many people in most countries have never traveled
> internationally but still know something of the rest of the world.  I
am not
> unique in this regard.  I have talked to other people who have
experience
> teaching both American and Canadian universities students and the
general
> feeling seems to be that American students are about two years behind.
 This
> is  not to say that Americans are not born as smart or anything like
that.
> It only says that they are 'disadvantaged (to use your term) by a bad
> education system.
>

Well, just so you know I'm not making this up, here's a quote from South
African actress Charlize Theron on Vancouver:

'Vancouver is very clean and very lovely. You have to use Canadian money
there, though.  It's very strange.'
- Entertainment Weekly, Jan21-28, pg27

Mike


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jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
> propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
> whith actual functions? 

Since this is posted to can.taxes, I will observe that the
the current system of letting the UK pay most of the costs
of maintaining the head of state is much cheaper than
having a president.   Why would we want to pay more taxes
than for no improvement in governement functionality?

On a practical side, getting rid of the monarch would require
changing the constitution, and since at the moment, any attempt
to make any change is seen as opening the door for all sorts
of conflicting demands it seems better to just observe that
the current system for head of state works well enough.  There
more practical problem to worry about.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:31:32 -0500, "Alan T. Bowler"
<atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:

>jim_foss@my-deja.com wrote:
>> 
>> When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>> propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>> whith actual functions? 
>
>Since this is posted to can.taxes, I will observe that the
>the current system of letting the UK pay most of the costs
>of maintaining the head of state is much cheaper than
>having a president.

Seriously, how do you know?  I only know something of what it costs to
maintain the office of one particular president, and that presidency
is by its nature so different than what is the role of the head of
state in Canada that I would not feel comfortable drawing any sort of
comparison between the two offices, be it duties or cost of
maintenance.

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<michaelkell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8600jj$s9d$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <SAqg4.397$Jw5.5671@news.clear.net.nz>,
>   "Derek Pyne" <d.a.pyne@massey.ac.nz> wrote:
> >
>
> > I agree that that is a factor.  However, I think that more of it has
> to do
> > with a very bad public education system that many areas of the U.S.
> have.
> > Russians also have a big country but I have not encountered any
> Russians
> > students with the same lack of knowledge of the rest of the world
> (although
> > I am told that things are very different with older generations of
> > Russians).  Indeed, many people in most countries have never traveled
> > internationally but still know something of the rest of the world.  I
> am not
> > unique in this regard.  I have talked to other people who have
> experience
> > teaching both American and Canadian universities students and the
> general
> > feeling seems to be that American students are about two years behind.
>  This
> > is  not to say that Americans are not born as smart or anything like
> that.
> > It only says that they are 'disadvantaged (to use your term) by a bad
> > education system.
> >
>
> Well, just so you know I'm not making this up, here's a quote from South
> African actress Charlize Theron on Vancouver:
>
> 'Vancouver is very clean and very lovely. You have to use Canadian money
> there, though.  It's very strange.'
> - Entertainment Weekly, Jan21-28, pg27

Ok I have to admit that I have heard this type of thing to.  When I was in
Berea I had an international student who was going to visit Canada and asked
if there was any need for him to change his U.S $ to Canadian $.  In fact,
many of Berea's third world international students thought like this.  I
think it is because the U.S. $ is used so widely in third word countries.
As most of my travels have been to developed countries I likely have a
somewhat biased impression of "non Americans".  However, when it comes to
basic history and geography, I still stand my my earlier claims even in the
case of many third world countries.  However, I admit that you have a point
when it comes to features of everyday life like this.

In article <85nu9s$cc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <jim_foss@my-deja.com> wrote:
>When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president

When will anti-monarchists spend their energy solving a thousand or
so more pressing problems?
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In article <3884c269.91938533@news.vic.sfl.net>,
Bad Daddy <dontbugme@home.com> wrote:
>On 18 Jan 2000 17:56:04 GMT, NO_mre@eng.sun.com_SPAM (Mike Eisler)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <85nu9s$cc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <jim_foss@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>When will the Canadian finally kick Queen Elizabeth ll out of the
>>>propostrous role of a "figurehead" in Canada and elect a real president
>>
>>When will anti-monarchists spend their energy solving a thousand or
>>so more pressing problems?
>
>One man's problem is another man's solution. 
>
>Get the mad cow off of our money.

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Nigel Hourquebie <njh77@mweb.co.za> wrote in message

> Ok, I do agree.  Death to all monarchs will not necessarily mean the end
of
> monarchies, but correct me if I am wrong, the end of monachies would also
> (sadly) bring the end of Monarchiest in due course, right?
>
Die-hards will always do just that - die hard!

>
> >the Nazis might well have succeeded in
> all
> > their nefarious misdeeds.
> >
>
> Ok, I understand and agree with your point.  But, unfortunately, the rest
of
> the world did (and still does to a certain extent) follow the NIMBY (Not
In
> My Back Yard) law. ...although these same
> people were (or at least claimed to be) somewhat blinkered to the
atrocities
> of what was actualy going on.
>
Today they are just more selective in deciding where and where not to
intervene.

Selwyn Zwick

Bad Daddy wrote in message <38863865.187692542@news.vic.sfl.net>...

>The whole royalty thing is so medieval. These relics have no future
>and do nothing but clutter the landscape. I care nothing about how
>hard she or they work opening shopping centres. What they do stinks of
>privilige based on birth and what their ancestors did to my ancestors
>in the past thousand years. These royal families are nothing but left
>over thugs from ancient times. If they were gone from the scene it
>would not matter.
>
>How can you rail at the priviliges of politicians yet hold out respect
>for the Saxe-Gothburgs or any of these ancients? Their time has
>passed.


So, is everything old also bad?

Maybe the Magna Carta's influence should be expunged from our lives; it's
rather old (and didn's one of those left-over thugs have something to do
with that?).

For your daily dose of trivia, consider that the Norwegian monarchy is only
about a hundred years old.

Neill McKay