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Thomas Freund <thomas_freund@attglobal.net> writes
: Can anyone tell me who the Compte de Bruxelles was in 1740. I have a
: marriage record that mentions this position but the name is illegible.

Was there such a person?
Are you sure it's a human Count and not the County or an Account?
Bruxelles was (if memory serves) the seat of the dukes of Brabant.

By the way, you're in England, how is `Freund' pronounced there?

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Anton Sherwood  --  br0nt0@p0b0x.com  --  http://ogre.nu/

Anton Sherwood wrote:
> 
> Thomas Freund <thomas_freund@attglobal.net> writes
> : Can anyone tell me who the Compte de Bruxelles was in 1740. I have a
> : marriage record that mentions this position but the name is illegible.
> 
> Was there such a person?
> Are you sure it's a human Count and not the County or an Account?
> Bruxelles was (if memory serves) the seat of the dukes of Brabant.

Stoyan lists "Count of Br�ssel" as a title of the Holy Roman Empire
<http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/cgi-bin/stoyan/ww-index/LANG=engl/?Index-1575>,
but does not seem to have any information about the holders of this
title.

The seat of the Dukes of Brabant had been in Madrid and/or Wien for a
long time in 1740.


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Vennlig hilsen
Frank H. Johansen
frank.johansen@hm.telia.no

Anton,

The marriage record mentions a Monsieur DeVarick (?) - Compte de Bruxelles
... (plus some additional text that I can not decipher). I was wondering if
there was information on either the origin of this title or the person
holding it in 1740.

BTW, I'm an American living in England - my family has always used the
german pronunciation of the name.

Regards,
Tom Freund
Winchester, UK
thomas_freund@attglobal.net

Anton Sherwood wrote in message <91cf5g$1bf$1@home.ogre.nu>...
>Thomas Freund <thomas_freund@attglobal.net> writes
>: Can anyone tell me who the Compte de Bruxelles was in 1740. I have a
>: marriage record that mentions this position but the name is illegible.
>
>Was there such a person?
>Are you sure it's a human Count and not the County or an Account?
>Bruxelles was (if memory serves) the seat of the dukes of Brabant.
>
>By the way, you're in England, how is `Freund' pronounced there?
>
>--
>Anton Sherwood  --  br0nt0@p0b0x.com  --  http://ogre.nu/

Hi Thomas,
There was a title of "Comte de Bruxelles", but I am not sure if that still
existed in 1740.
"Upon the death of Charles' only son Otto (1004), without direct heirs, the
castles
 of Brussels, Vilvord, Louvain, and all the adjoining estates, the nucleus
of the
 territory which later on formed the Duchy of Brabant, fell to his
brother-in-law
 Lambert Balderic, who sometimes in his charters styles himself Count of
 Brussels and sometimes Count of Louvain, the man to whom the Dukes of
Brabant traced their descent."
Wasn't Brussels under Austrian rule around 1740?
Kind regards,
Petra from Canada :)

Petra wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> There was a title of "Comte de Bruxelles", but I am not sure if that still
> existed in 1740.
> "Upon the death of Charles' only son Otto (1004), without direct heirs, the
> castles
>  of Brussels, Vilvord, Louvain, and all the adjoining estates, the nucleus
> of the
>  territory which later on formed the Duchy of Brabant, fell to his
> brother-in-law
>  Lambert Balderic, who sometimes in his charters styles himself Count of
>  Brussels and sometimes Count of Louvain, the man to whom the Dukes of
> Brabant traced their descent."
> Wasn't Brussels under Austrian rule around 1740?
> Kind regards,
> Petra from Canada :)

Yes. After the Treaty of Utrecht it fell to the Austrian Hapsburgs and
was under Charles VI and Maria Theresa in the 1740s. There was a
governor of the Austrian Netherlands in residence at Brussels. IIRC it
was Charles of Lorraine from 1744 - a brother in law of M-T. However, a
count of Brussels might well have existed elsewhere though the Duchy of
Brabant was Hapsburg. I have no knowledge of such a count at that time.

Derek Howard
Brussels

dear Thomas,
in the dutch genealogical magazine De Navorscher, which was available on CD
I found:
page 513/no.40/1890
Philippe Adrien de Varick, Vicomte de Bruxelles, baron de Saint-Lambert et
de Libersart is getting married around 1716 to Gertrude Madeleine Rose van
de Werve.

an early family tree is on page 515/40/1890   (earlier than the above
marriage)

From: Christel Monsanto, monsanto@interneeds.net