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Article #551Re: Nature of Female TS rejection
From: Susan M Owens
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:55
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:55
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In article <2mlk26$19k@magic.erg.sri.com> zwicky@magic.erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes: > > >Furthermore, a lot of the point of woman-only space is setting up a >space free of people who have been acculturated the way men are in our >society. It's not just about reduced testosterone living, or a lack of >male genitals; it's much more complex than that. The TS that I know >best, at the time when I knew her, believed in a vision of what it >meant to be female that was not about femininity as such, but that >still struck me as dangerously oversimplified, and she believed that >she was more like a woman than like a man, while behaving like a man >in most of the ways that annoy me most. (Leaving the toilet seat up >never bothered me that much, but being unable to find anything gets to >me.) Other people in this thread have had similar experiences, of >people who thought of themselves as women, but had "male" >characteristics that in context seemed unsettling and possibly >unpleasant. I don't think it's fair to believe that a person who grew >up as a man in our culture is ever going to behave like a person who >grew up as a woman in our culture. Whether or not that constitutes >sufficient reason to bar them from some or all woman-only space is a >very different question, and not one I care to try to answer; >politically woman-only space isn't something I have any particular >interest in. > > Elizabeth D. Zwicky > zwicky@erg.sri.com > This brings up an interesting question for me... Should someone like me be banned from a woman-only place? While I have no desire what so ever to be of the masculine sex, I'd say I display alot of characteristics that have been culturally declared as Male. While I can't say I've ever left the toilet seat up :), I haven't been able to find my keys for the last month or so (UGH!). I'm strong, confident, and not at all afraid of men nor do I dislike men. I'd say there are alot of TSes that come closer to your idea of "femininity" than I do. So... What about me?? - Susan
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