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Article #4183Re: eating with fork tines up or down
From: Skitt
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:21
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 19:21
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Evan Kirshenbaum wrote: > fabzorba writes: >> WIWAL, I was taught to eat my dinner with a knife and fork used >> together, and with the fork having tines pointing down all the time. >> This was quite an art to master, especially with small items hard to >> pierce, like peas. When I was a child and could get away with it, I >> would often turn the fork tines up so I could use it as a scoop, which >> surely makes sense. I must admit that I do this sometimes when I am >> eating alone, but never in company. >> >> I rem seeing a British academic eating a meal with undergraduates many >> years ago, and the way he handled those pesky peas was wonderful - he >> would glue a few of them on his tines-down fork using some mashed >> potato. Now, this etiquette seems to have largely gone. But I was >> still surprised when I viewed an episode of Hannibal, the new American >> series which has Mads Mikkelsen as the erudite gourmand psychiatrist >> Hannibal Lecter, who happens to have being a serial killer as a side >> line. In this episode, Hannibal once again prepares a sumptuous >> European style feast. I noticed that his guests ate like typical >> Americans, shoveling food into open mouths, and using eating utensils >> as devices to point and make gestures with. >> >> But then I saw Hannibal use the fork tines up! I was totally gob- >> smacked! Surely this cannot be? Or am I getting something wrong? > > Fork etiquette is a fascinating bit of comparative cultural history. > According to Petroski (_The Evolution of Useful Things_) the way that > Europeans and Americans treat forks has to do with what they did > before forks were introduced. In much of Europe, including the UK, > the practice was to eat with two knives, using one to hold the food > down while the other cut, and then using the first to bring the food > to the mouth. So when forks were introduced as a better second knife > (since the multiple tines meant that the food was less likely to twist > while cutting and the lack of a blade meant you were less likely to > cut your lips), it was held tines-down (to better stabilize) and it > remained in the non-cutting hand when bringing the food to the mouth > (as the second knife had). > > In America, by contrast, the practice was to eat with a knife and > spoon, using the spoon to stabilize food (poorly) while cutting and > switching hands to scoop the cut food (or, apparently more commonly > there than in Europe, stew) and bring it to the mouth, because most > people have trouble either cutting or using a spoon with their off > hand. The fork was taken as a better spoon (since it could better > hold food when cutting, and you didn't need to push food onto it with > your knife), but the practice of changing hands and holding it convex > side up, as had been done with the spoon, remained. > > Do Brits these days think of forks as more like spoons or more like > knives? > In some (Asian, I think) cultures, eating is done using forks and spoons. No knives are present. The spoon doubles as a crude cutting instrument, when required. -- Skitt (SF Bay Area) http://home.comcast.net/~skitt99/main.html
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