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Started by Jyrki Kuoppala
Sun, 02 Aug 1992 13:30
[repost] DISC: email or Usenet as the media
Author: Jyrki Kuoppala
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1992 13:30
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1992 13:30
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A repost from alt.uu.future - this article has had propagation problems: From: terry@npd.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert) Subject: Re: Further on - A great idea Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1992 22:42:04 GMT In article <1992Jun16.093010@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov> shirley@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Shirley [CSC]) writes: >I agree, many classes would be better in an email format, possibly using >(and sharing) a newsgroup for administative purposes (new class offerings, >etc.) I *disagree* here. Email distribution has a number of problems: 1) Archival of classes for reuse. Currently, usenet information (yes, even postings by me!) are being archived to optical disk by at least 2 corporations that I am aware of. One is editting the information into a "best of" form, wherein the data is edited for content. The other is archiving it verbatim, and makes disclaimer for profanity, etc. Archival is a strong argument. It means that the "University" never need lose a facultly member or class contents once a class has been "taught", as long as there are "canonical" sites for class materials, which must also include test/correction mechanisms. 2) Strict reliance on start dates. With mailing lists, one is required to "enroll" in order to "attend" a class. Miss the "enrollment" date, and you miss several classes, or worse, are disalloed from "attending" until (and if) the class is reoffered. If I have to reinstall my system due to a crash, I can miss tests. A moderated newsgroup [where the instructer is the moderator] gets around this problem. Questions and answers can be handled in a per session "digest" format by the instructor. This allows the instructor to get ideas across without interruption; coupled with the fact that information is likely to be boiled-down off-line by an instructor, I see this as one of the greatest strengths of this approach. This doesn't even touch on the fact that, given sufficient time, all relevant questions will either be answered in the digest or obviated by course materials. 3) Propagation delay. It may take some time to propagate mail. There is an excellent story by Issac Asimov about a spacecraft marooned out by Pluto (or on Pluto, I forget which) where the speed of light causes the round trip delay to be too long to provide a soloution for the astronauts in time. The soloution was (obvious to one of the characters mom's, the town gossip) to have both sides talk continuously rather than waiting for a response. Communication doe *not* have to be synchronus unless we force it by way of the medium organization we provide. >Also, many "classes" may want to have prerequisites, or suggested previous >courses (I feel this obvious, but had to state it anyway). Though inclusion >in a class should not be strict (pupils may aquire knowledge elsewhere), >suggested prior knowledge is a must in providing useful information. I would suggest that we provide an automated testing mechanism, or as automated as possible. I am not suggesting that "multiple guess" tests in any way, shape, or form, provide a substitute for essay questions or programming assignments, to mention two, but providing such testing as the nomnitive norm will allow us to have cannonically correct answers. In this fashion, we will not suffer a loss by not having the testing mechanism sufficiently distributed (ie: one hard drive somewhere). In addition, we will not require international email traffic if we can establish more than one "testing center". Automation of testing has the additional benefit of allowing me to "take the class" 2 years after it was "taught", with the only penalty being active "participation" in the "discussion". This would solve the prerequisite problem by providing a mechanism for cross-reference suggestion that another class would perhaps be more suitable for the individual asking the question [hopefully with a set of class materials already in place for used by the "student"]. If we do not pace the classes to be [initially] taught as rapidly as a "normal" class is taught, we provide the opportunity for a massive amount of discussion to take place; this would allow discussion to take place using a "hyper-text" style front-end at a later date, and could therefore allow the student to skip the questions which they don't personally want the answers to, which are outside the scope of the "class" proper. It should be noted that *any* discussion or clarification could be viewed as being "outside the class proper". If the intent is to provide a tool which may be used to learn, rather than targetting a particular system of accrediation, we are not in danger of having to deal with being used as a "diploma mill". The idea of being able to get a diploma in this fashion is highly seductive; however, there are other avenues. One mechanism for accrediation that would not require appreciable work on the part of the "Usenet University" would be cooperative testing at an accredited institution. You could learn what needed to be learned to pass the class "on line", and test at a University without having to attend class there. Many Universities allow "testing out" of classes already, and this could be a suitable venue for gaining the knowledge needed to take advantage of these programs. Thus you take the class on line, but pass it and get graded off line. Generally, these testing programs are much less expensive than attending the class, then testing. Conceivably, given the amount of "pounding-into-shape" an interactive cirriculum would take, if course materials (sylabus, daily lesson plans, testing materials, etc.) were widely available, there is no reason that they would not be adopted as part of a traditional Universtiy program; this would probably require academic involvement on the length and level of class offerings to make it viable. This type of medium for teaching would definitely help me with my worst failing, which is knowledge of terminology. I have only "failed" in an educational situation when the class was moving too slowly to suit my tastes, and I set out on my own with the reference books. As a result, when the terminology used on the test did not match that with which I was familiar, I "failed" to solve that test problem. This was usually when the instructor did not use the same terminology as the book. I feel that this type of environment stands a good chance of "homogenizing" the terminology used, especially if the information gathered is then applied to more traditional programs. Terry Lambert terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com terry@icarus.weber.edu --- Disclaimer: Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.
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