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Here's a very messy and unorganized list of proposed / possible groups
for UU.  Any work to organize it is welcomed.  Thanks for everyone fo
ideas and suggestions.

Pub or cafe: alt.uu.cafe / alt.uu.cafeteria / alt.uu.pub 

alt.uu.lang.material
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.material
alt.uu.lang.spanish.material
alt.uu.lang.spanish.misc
alt.uu.lang.russian.material
alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
alt.uu.geography.material
alt.uu.geography.misc
alt.uu.math.material
alt.uu.comp.material
alt.uu.media.material
alt.uu.media.misc
alt.uu.philosophy.material
alt.uu.philosophy.misc
alt.uu.med.material
alt.uu.med.misc
alt.uu.virtual-worlds.material

alt.uu.admin
alt.uu.tools.lang
alt.uu.tools.lang.esperanto
alt.uu.tools.lang.russian

a group for recommended books? other documents?

Some groups _not_ created yet, but which have been discussed and
perhaps could soon be created:

alt.uu.med.misc
alt.uu.media.misc
alt.uu.geography.misc
alt.uu.philosophy.misc
alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
alt.uu.comp.gnu.elisp.misc

some new proposals / ones which might be useful soon:

- UU pub: misc. unofficial discussions. alt.uu.coffeeroom?
alt.uu.admin		For discussions on administrating UU,
                        perhaps/instead also a motion/email-vote run
                        adminstration.  I'm not sure if this is
                        needed quite yet, uu.future might be enough
                        for now.  A split on the subject should
                        be thought out between admin/future.
                        Some other name could be more appropriate.
alt.uu.comp.gnu.misc

Material groups, how soon are they needed if at all?

alt.uu.misc.material
alt.uu.virtual-worlds.material
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.material
etc.

I suggest the discussions on creating new alt.uu.math.* groups etc.
should be carried out in alt.uu.math.misc, etc. - perhaps also
crossposted to alt.uu.future.


1.  Where is the pub?  The most interesting, enjoyable, and possibly
important aspect of face-to-face class work is the social interaction
which frequently continues outside of the class setting.  Is this
possible in the UU setting, and if so, how will it work?  It's going
to be pretty gosh-darned difficult to have the class over for dinner
at the end of the term, that's for sure!



Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance
From: neveu@alcazar.rgl.polymtl.ca (Jean-Sebastien Neveu)
Subject: Re: Usenet University. Learning Material. Accented Characters on PCs.
Message-ID: <1992Jul10.191435.4983@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Organization: Recherche en genie logiciel
References: <zhjmbdap@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <54917@apadravya.princeton.edu>
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1992 19:14:35 GMT
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That makes me think there will be a serious need for a newsgroups expressly
dedicated to such exchanges between teachers or anyone else interested.  I just
hope this kind of discussion will not suddenly emerge in groups identified as
"classrooms".  Otherwise all the students will be mixed up !

What about some categories of newsgroup.  Here are some:

	1) "classroom"  groups
	2) "forum"      groups 
	3) "work-group" groups
	4) "lab"	groups
	5) "administration" groups
	6) your ideas...

JS *:-)

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Something like

alt.uu.admin		For discussions on administrating UU,
                        perhaps/instead also a motion/email-vote run
                        adminstration.  I'm not sure if this is
                        needed quite yet, uu.future might be enough.
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.material
alt.uu.virtual-worlds.material
alt.uu.virtual-worlds.misc
alt.uu.med.misc
alt.uu.media.misc
alt.uu.misc.material
[ already created groups deleted ]

could be a start here.  Perhaps also the proposed
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.tools and alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu groups,
though I'm not sure about those.  As there's no alt.uu.misc, that
would leave alt.uu.futre for a "misc" group for now, which I would
guess is sufficient.  misc.misc and misc.material are the "misc"
department of UU, ie. for learning on topics, not discussions on UU.

That's still 14 groups (or 13 with admin excluded) or 16/15 with the
two additional Esperanto groups, but perhaps it's a bit more
manageable than the 28 groups proposed by Will Overington.  Note that
all of the above are from Will's list, except for misc.material and
misc.misc.  As more people get interested, misc.material/misc.misc (or
the "departments" of math, comp, virtual-worlds etc.) could spring off
other groups.

I think we need to create the above 13 or 14 groups.  As there however
has been opposition to more uu groups, I'm not sure if the groups
would be carried on enough sites to make them propagate.  I think
Will's proposal was to create the groups on 14th July, which would
seem good to me since I will have little access to the net for a
couple of weeks starting a day after tomorrow.  Tell me what you
think.

Later there would perhaps be groups like alt.uu.med.admin for the med
department administration things, alt.uu.media.papers (for posting
papers on medical topics), alt.uu.media.seminar, alt.uu.media.announce
(announcements on the media department), alt.uu.media.tutors (for
announcing available volunteer tutors) etc, but those needn't be
created now.

>>A number of people are trying hard to get Usenet University off the
>>ground. Surely we are allowed to discuss our ideas and ask whether
>>we may have some extra groups to suit our purposes without ridicule.
>
>Of course you are, but you don't need a sudden proliferation of new
>groups to do it. This can be easily tackled within one group.

I disagree with this.  Mixing UU administration and Esperanto learning
material in one group will make it difficult for everyone to follow
the topics they're interested in.

>I think that what people are noticing is that you just haven't really
>launched this with any major groundwork, theories or detailed plans and
>many supporters. I mean, OK, it doesn't matter that much if something
>as semi-anarchic as Usenet is abused, but on the other hand, why not
>respect whatever systems are in place for making electronic news manageable
>and look at how you can work within that....

What's one big advantage of Usenet is that it is a big pool of
resources of talented people and information - a big pool of possible
supporters.  But to get the support and get people to participate,
there needs to be something more than just one newsgroups with no
organization on what kind of discussions there exist.

>Actually, I think that there is already a great deal of educational use of
>the nets - perhaps news is already fulfilling an important role in this
>without having to formalise that any more.. but this last bit is just a
>thought...

This is true.  But I'll try to make the originial idea of UU a bit
more clear - it's not so much to formalize, but rather to better
manage resources, to make people find resources better, whether the
resources be teachers, self-study material, groups of students to
teach, books on certain topics, descriptions of degress on ordinary
universities, etc.  etc.

//Jyrki

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- a group for learning / education in general
- a library group
- discussing teaching in UU
- discussing creating material
- discussing studying in UU
- UU advocacy
- discussions for creation of new topics
- library
alt.uu.geography.misc
alt.uu.media.misc
alt.uu.philosophy.misc
alt.uu.med.misc

- "wanted" groups for new topics, for example alt.uu.lang.t-wanted
- alt.uu.pedagogy
  - Hints and tips on designing courses, on learning and teaching via UU
- alt.uu.grading
  - discussions on grading in UU

//Jyrki