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A group for learning Esperanto has been created in the UU (Usenet
University) hierarchy (currently part of alt).  The group name is
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc.

As the Esperanto group is one of the first UU groups, there are no
exact plans on how to run the group / how to encourage people to learn
and provide learning material.  The field is open, and many approaches
probably will appear side-by-side.  Soc.culture.esperanto has many
people with experience in Esperanto and Usenet who might start using
the group.

For more information on UU, see the groups alt.uu.announce and
alt.uu.future.  For sites without the groups, some of the traffic has
been crossposted to alt.education.distance.

I'll append some quotes from earlier UU posts for more information.

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A "material" group means that the group exists for postings of
course material, announcements, pointers to material and resources,
essays, etc. relevant to the "department" of the group and/or the
topic.  This group is for one-time articles / posts - discussions are
_not_ suitable for this newsgroup but should instead be held in a
corresponding .misc group.  Followups should be directed and posted
there.  On some UU groups (where there is a volunteer teacher /
teachers) the material will be mostly for course-like work, on others
for self-study, on others the main info will be something else.  The
conventions will form as time passes and while there are none, a wide
range of relevant postings will appear.  Later, different styles of
learning will perhaps spin off different newsgroups.

A "misc" group exists for discussions on learning, followups on the
"material" group articles, and other discussion relevant to the
department or topic.

For all departments / topics, there are as of yet no "material" groups
but instead only .misc groups - in that case, articles fitting in the
material group should be posted with "MATERIAL" as the first word in
the Subject: field of the article.

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Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance,soc.culture.esperanto,alt.config
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Learning Esperanto via alt.uu.lang.esperanto.*
Message-ID: <1992Jul1.195621.2723@nntp.hut.fi>
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
References: <5y6lbms1@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Jul1.112008.23764@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> <l96lbw3r@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 19:56:21 GMT
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>>Will Esperanto be taught in the Virtuala Universitato?

It would seem like a good topic to me - there are people interested in
Esperanto on the net and thus it could be easier to get people
interested in taking care of planning, administration, teaching etc.
than for other topics.

>One thing that I would very much like to do, and perhaps you might like
>to organize it, would be to learn a subject that is not esperanto itself
>by reading, discussing and replying to texts using esperanto, so that I
>would have achieved the learning of something in esperanto.
>Like having learned chemistry in English.
>Clearly, it is your choice of what such subject might be.

I think this would be a good way of learning, though it narrows the
audience somewhat.  Perhaps not strictly learning another topic, but
having discussions on something in Esperanto?  Something like
alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu for discussions on UU in Esperanto?  Or
any other topics.

How do you think we should start the Esperanto group(s)?  What would
be the learning process?  People discussing something in Esperanto,
posting articles from the email course to Esperanto (with exercizes,
answers to which perhaps rot13-posted), posting English-Esperanto (or
Anything-Esperanto) dictionaries, something else?


A suggestion for groups for starters:

alt.uu.lang.esperanto.tools

A group to discuss tools to use in writing, reading, speaking and
learning Esperanto.  Any "esperanto-modes" for programs, good
reference books, self-education programs and courses, dictionaries.
Pointers to books, internet services helpful in learning, etc.


alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu

Dicussions in Esperanto on UU and the Esperanto part of UU.


alt.uu.lang.esperanto.material

Lectures, exercices, parts of a course, dictionaries, reviews of
books, administrative announcements, perhaps long writings/articles -
not for dicussions, but for articles standing on their own.
"material" perhaps is not a good name, "announce" or "info could be
better.  Followups should be directed to some other group.


alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc

Misc. discussion either in Esperanto or English.


Or should the group names be in Esperanto?  Perhaps different groups
should be created for different levels of learning?

//Jyrki

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From: esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance,soc.culture.esperanto,alt.config
Subject: Usenet University groups Re: Learning Esperanto via alt.uu.lang.esperanto.*
Message-ID: <7d8lby7v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: 2 Jul 92 10:01:39 GMT
References: <1992Jul1.112008.23764@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> <l96lbw3r@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Jul1.195621.2723@nntp.hut.fi>
Organization: Coventry University, Coventry, UK
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In article <1992Jul1.195621.2723@nntp.hut.fi>,
jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>>>Will Esperanto be taught in the Virtuala Universitato?
>
>It would seem like a good topic to me - there are people interested in
>Esperanto on the net and thus it could be easier to get people
>interested in taking care of planning, administration, teaching etc.
>than for other topics.
>
>>One thing that I would very much like to do, and perhaps you might like
>>to organize it, would be to learn a subject that is not esperanto itself
>>by reading, discussing and replying to texts using esperanto, so that I
>>would have achieved the learning of something in esperanto.
>>Like having learned chemistry in English.
>>Clearly, it is your choice of what such subject might be.
>
>I think this would be a good way of learning, though it narrows the
>audience somewhat.  Perhaps not strictly learning another topic, but
>having discussions on something in Esperanto?  Something like
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu for discussions on UU in Esperanto?  Or
>any other topics.
>
>How do you think we should start the Esperanto group(s)?  What would
>be the learning process?  People discussing something in Esperanto,
>posting articles from the email course to Esperanto (with exercizes,
>answers to which perhaps rot13-posted), posting English-Esperanto (or
>Anything-Esperanto) dictionaries, something else?
>

I think that it would be best to get a few groups implemented and
then advertise them in soc.culture.esperanto and see what happens.
My guess is that you will get lots of keen people.

I feel that there is a danger that Usenet University might become
regarded as mainly or solely for work involving esperanto.
I suggest that you also consider a set of groups for virtual-worlds
so that those of us interested in trying to get a worldwide learning
system for virtual-worlds, using English, can have a go at that,
without any suggestion or mistaken belief at large that that work
in any way involves esperanto.

I feel that a third and fourth set of topics should also have groups
created. Discussion can proceed as to what topics to choose.
Usenet University will need to have a variety of disciplines so as
to get a breadth of outlook. What about history? What about mathematics?
What about art?

>
>A suggestion for groups for starters:
>
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.tools
>
>A group to discuss tools to use in writing, reading, speaking and
>learning Esperanto.  Any "esperanto-modes" for programs, good
>reference books, self-education programs and courses, dictionaries.
>Pointers to books, internet services helpful in learning, etc.
>

I agree.

>
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu
>
>Dicussions in Esperanto on UU and the Esperanto part of UU.
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, possibly. However, as a lot of people are learning esperanto,
good ideas put forward only in esperanto might not get picked up into
the general discussion, which seems to be in English.

>Dicussions in Esperanto on UU and the Esperanto part of UU.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes.

>
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.material
>
>Lectures, exercices, parts of a course, dictionaries, reviews of
>books, administrative announcements, perhaps long writings/articles -
>not for dicussions, but for articles standing on their own.
>"material" perhaps is not a good name, "announce" or "info could be
>better.  Followups should be directed to some other group.
>

..material would be alright, .announce would be better reserved for
making short, important, possibly time critical announcements.
How about .resources though .material sounds fine to me.

>
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc
>
>Misc. discussion either in Esperanto or English.
>

How about .common-room as a general ending for a place where you can
discuss things informally. Here we would have

alt.uu.lang.esperanto.common-room

>
>Or should the group names be in Esperanto?  Perhaps different groups
>should be created for different levels of learning?
>
>//Jyrki

It would probably be better to keep the names in English as lots of
system administrators need to handle the names as part of their work
in keeping the messages flowing around usenet.

I suggest that the next stage is to make a list of the ten to twenty
groups that would need to be created and let everyone have a week or
so to make comments and suggest ammendments with a view that, say, on
a Tuesday or a Wednesday the whole lot can be newgrouped in a single
exercise.

In order to give time for discussion that really means 14th or 15th
July as about the earliest practical date for the newgrouping.
I suggest a Tuesday or Wednesday as I have a feeling, perhaps well
founded, perhaps not, that newgroupings made at the end of the week,
perhaps arriving at sites at the weekend, are more likely to go wrong.

Also, with such a large collection of newgroups all at once, I feel
that a good time lag with plenty of prior notice so that systems
administrators know that it is all proper serious work rather than just
someone sending out lots of messages for lots of groups will be of
benefit.

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Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance,soc.culture.esperanto,alt.config
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Usenet University groups Re: Learning Esperanto via alt.uu.lang.esperanto.*
Message-ID: <1992Jul2.114516.18787@nntp.hut.fi>
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
References: <1992Jul1.112008.23764@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> <l96lbw3r@cck.coventry.ac.uk> <1992Jul1.195621.2723@nntp.hut.fi> <7d8lby7v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 11:45:16 GMT
Lines: 68

In article <7d8lby7v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, esz001@cck (Will Overington) writes:
>I think that it would be best to get a few groups implemented and
>then advertise them in soc.culture.esperanto and see what happens.
>My guess is that you will get lots of keen people.

OK.  We would need also people who know Esperanto and can write
learning material / tell people where to find such.

>I suggest that you also consider a set of groups for virtual-worlds
>so that those of us interested in trying to get a worldwide learning
>system for virtual-worlds, using English, can have a go at that,
>without any suggestion or mistaken belief at large that that work
>in any way involves esperanto.

Virtual-worlds seem like a relatively new topic field, but the
newsgoup is well-organized and could be used as a source for the
material.  What groups would be created for this?

>I feel that a third and fourth set of topics should also have groups
>created. Discussion can proceed as to what topics to choose.

How about the legal and/or political system of some country, or
comparative stduies from a few systems?  Comparative cultural studies?
These would show an advantage of having participants from different
frames of reference and different parts of the globe.

>>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.disc.uu
>>
>>Dicussions in Esperanto on UU and the Esperanto part of UU.
>>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Well, possibly. However, as a lot of people are learning esperanto,
>good ideas put forward only in esperanto might not get picked up into
>the general discussion, which seems to be in English.

Any other suggestions?  UU is also a somewhat new topic, perhaps
widening it to Usenet in general?

>>Dicussions in Esperanto on UU and the Esperanto part of UU.
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Yes.

>>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc

>How about .common-room as a general ending for a place where you can
>discuss things informally. Here we would have
>
>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.common-room

Seems like a bit long and clumsy.  The Usenet tradition is ".misc" -
I'm not sure there's a reason to deviate.

>It would probably be better to keep the names in English as lots of
>system administrators need to handle the names as part of their work
>in keeping the messages flowing around usenet.

OK.

>I suggest that the next stage is to make a list of the ten to twenty
>groups that would need to be created and let everyone have a week or
>so to make comments and suggest ammendments with a view that, say, on
>a Tuesday or a Wednesday the whole lot can be newgrouped in a single
>exercise.

OK, we need ideas and names.

//Jyrki

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From: esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will Overington)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future,alt.education.distance
Subject: Usenet University groups
Message-ID: <y3cmbybf@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: 6 Jul 92 10:25:52 GMT
Organization: Coventry University, Coventry, UK
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6th July 1992

>>
>>A suggestion for groups for starters:
>>
>>alt.uu.lang.esperanto.tools
>>
>>A group to discuss tools to use in writing, reading, speaking and
>>learning Esperanto.  Any "esperanto-modes" for programs, good
>>reference books, self-education programs and courses, dictionaries.
>>Pointers to books, internet services helpful in learning, etc.
>>

Previously I wrote,

>I agree.

Upon thinking further on the matter over the weekend I feel that
it might be better that the structure were

alt.uu.tools

as the general place for discussing tools, with any special aspects
of tools that are concerned solely with languages (be it to learn the
language or to apply the language, that is, tools relating to expressing
accents on screens, bilingual dictionary technology and so on) being in

alt.uu.tools.lang

Then, if there were special tools for Esperanto, (which there probably
would be, as, for example, the standard PC character set allows
French, German, Spanish, Italian to be expressed on a PC screen using
text characters, yet Esperanto needs to use graphics), these tools would
be in

alt.uu.tools.lang.esperanto

This way round of doing it will ensure that the tools for the
whole of Usenet University will be conveniently grouped together.

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//Jyrki