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En artikolo <sg1l658@zola.esd.sgi.com> cigno@sgi.com (Kevin Walsh) skribis:
>       But I would like to add that it is important
>	not to get too caught up in how to properly pronounce something.
>	I know people who fear to speak because they are unsure of their
>	pronounciation.  This is a pity, because it is through trial
>	and error that one learns.
>
>	Also, provided that one is understood, I am of the opinion that 
>	what one says is more important that how one says it.  
>
>	BTW, what is the preferred language of this newsgroup?
>
>	Tamen, mi deziras ankau diri ke oni devas ne memsxnurigxi per kiel
>	jxuste elparoli ion.  Mi konas homoj kiuj timas paroli cxar ili 
>	ne certas pri elparolo.  Mi bedauras tion cxar mi kredas ke estas 
>	kaj per peno kaj per eraro ke oni lernas. 
>
>	Ankau, kondicxe ke oni estas komprenita, mi opinias ke kion oni 
>	diras estas pli grava ol kiel oni elparolas.  
>
>	Parenteze, kio estas la preferita lingvo de tiu cxi novajxgrupo?
>	

Zamenhof was once asked by a Dutch with a terrible Esperanto pronunciation
if his pronunciation was acceplable. Zamenhof asked: "Does one understand
you?" - "Yes." - "Then you speak good Esperanto."

Iam nederlandano kun terura Esperanta prononco demandis Zamenhof, chu tia
prononco estu permesata. Zamenhof redemandis: "Chu vi estas komprenata?" -
"Jes." - "Do, vi parolas bonan Esperanton."

Langauge? It is positive that people ask questions and get answers,
whether they be in Esperanto or another language.

Lingvo? Estas bone, ke homoj demandas kaj akiras respondojn, chu Esperante
chu alilingve.

-- 
Jardar Eggesboe Abrahamsen            "Ili rigardis min kiel sian
studanto pri lingvistiko               moralan chefon."
jardar@swix.ifi.unit.no                                (L.L. Zamenhof)

In various postings, I have noticed several different ways of
representing the non-ASCII characters of the Esperanto alphabet
(these are just the ones I have seen recently):

	^c	c^	ch	cx
	^g		gh	gx
		h^
	^j	j^		jx
	^s	s^	sh	sx
	^u			ux

I wondered whether there is any general consensus on which of
these to use, which are most helpful/least confusing, etc.

(Sorry, I was going to translate this into Esperanto, but
I got stuck around "representing" - I'm only on chapter 7.
Perhaps somebody can give me some hints, or translate the
above so we can all see how it's done).
-- 

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In article <1992Nov19.172649.15083@impmh.uucp>, dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon) writes:
> In various postings, I have noticed several different ways of
> representing the non-ASCII characters of the Esperanto alphabet
> (these are just the ones I have seen recently):
> 
> 	^c	c^	ch	cx
> 	^g		gh	gx
> 		h^
> 	^j	j^		jx
> 	^s	s^	sh	sx
> 	^u			ux
> 
> I wondered whether there is any general consensus on which of
> these to use, which are most helpful/least confusing, etc.

Arrgghh!!  Flamewar predicted!

This comes up every few months on soc.culture.esperanto, in excruciating
detail, and no consensus has been found.  Some ways are better for computers
to sort, some are better for computers to translate into ISO-whosis, some
are easier for humans to read, some are easier for humans to write.

(By the way, you can fill in the missing entries in your table with the
obvious extrapolations.)

Do whatever you want...  but the *right* way is c^ (etc) and u~.  :-)

David Wolff

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In alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc, dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon) writes:
>In various postings, I have noticed several different ways of
>representing the non-ASCII characters of the Esperanto alphabet
>(these are just the ones I have seen recently):
> . . .
>(Sorry, I was going to translate this into Esperanto, but
>I got stuck around "representing" - I'm only on chapter 7.
>Perhaps somebody can give me some hints, or translate the
>above so we can all see how it's done).

Cxu `tajpi' (to type)?  Memoru: Traduku la signifon ne la vortojn

What about `to type'?  Remember: Translate the meaning, not the words.

La *solaj* *gusxtaj* metodoj, por tajpi esperantajn literojn per _ASCII_ estas:

cx gx hx jx sx ux  AUX

^c ^g ^h ^j ^s ^u

:-)

	-Duncan

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In article <1992Nov19.172649.15083@impmh.uucp> dsg@impmh.uucp (Dave Gordon) writes:
>In various postings, I have noticed several different ways of
>representing the non-ASCII characters of the Esperanto alphabet
>(these are just the ones I have seen recently):
>
>	^c	c^	ch	cx
>	^g		gh	gx
>		h^
>	^j	j^		jx
>	^s	s^	sh	sx
>	^u			ux
>
>I wondered whether there is any general consensus on which of
>these to use, which are most helpful/least confusing, etc.

Since there are two ways of using the circumflex, there would be ambiguity
if you had two letter that can use circumflexes next to each other, with the
circumflex in between.  Would the circumflex belong on the first letter or
the second?  So I would use some form of the other two, with following letters
rather than the circumflex.  I myself use the "cx" formation out of habit
from first reading the FAQ.

Cxar ekzistas du eblecoj por uzi la cirkumflekson, estus dusenca, se vi havus
du literojn kiuj povas havi cirkumflekson apud unu la alian, kun la cirkum-
flekso inter ili.  Cxu la cirkumflekso apartenas al la unua litero aux la
dua?  Do, mi uzus unu el la du aliaj, kun sekvantaj literoj anstataux la
cirkumflekso.  Mi mem uzas "cx" kutime, leginte la FAQ-on.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle