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Article #64Re: curve
From: Sebastien Ferre
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:00
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In article <35ea85fb.90925333@newshost.unx.sas.com>, leball@unx.sas.com (Lee D. Ballard) writes: > If I understand Matthias's initial question correctly, I believe there > are quite a few erroneous assumptions with Sebastien's method. The > first is with this statement: > >Let d be the distance between the two points, L the length of the tube, R the radius of the circle and A the angle between the two lines connecting the center of the circle with both points. > > > >We have L = A.R > > and sin(A) = d/(2.R) > (1) First, we are assuming that the curve (i.e. the "tube") between > the two points takes on the shape of an arc of a circle. I claim that > it could take on infinitely more shapes than simply the arc of a > circle. For instance, the curve's shape can be that of a sin curve, a > cosine curve, a parabola, or something far more complex. You're right, but Matthias was speaking of an arc of a circle... > (2) Assuming the curve is restricted to that of an arc of a circle, I > claim that, in general, sin(A) != d/(2*R). Take the case where A is > 60 degrees (or Pi/3). The triangle that is formed by the center of > the circle and the two points is then an equilateral triangle (i.e. > d=R). Therefore, sin(A) = sqrt(3)/2, NOT d/(2*R) = 1/2. Sorry, I made a mistake with the A angle. Actually, we have sin(A/2) = d/(2*R). So R is defined by: R = d/(2*sin(L/(2*R))) (1) and A is defined by: A = 2*L*sin(A/2)/d (2) With the radius and the coordinates of both points, it's easy to find the equation of the circle. The only problem is that (1) and (2) are reflexive. But I think it's possible to solve them by giving any initial value to R or A and by applying (1) or (2) until R or A values don't move too much. Just try it... Sebastien Ferre
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1130d6,4551c9df67d75bc2 X-Google-Attributes: gid1130d6,public X-Google-Thread: 109d8a,4551c9df67d75bc2 X-Google-Attributes: gid109d8a,public X-Google-Thread: 1077c2,4551c9df67d75bc2 X-Google-Attributes: gid1077c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10d67e,4551c9df67d75bc2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d67e,public From: ferre@irisa.fr (Sebastien Ferre) Subject: Re: curve Date: 1998/09/02 Message-ID: <6sj9vc$koe$1@news.irisa.fr> X-Deja-AN: 387789882 Distribution: world References: <35ea85fb.90925333@newshost.unx.sas.com> Organization: IRISA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes Cedex, FRANCE Reply-To: ferre@irisa.fr Newsgroups: alt.uu.math.misc,aus.mathematics,sci.math,alt.math.recreational