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Alias wrote:
> Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and 
> formerly a huge proponent of free software. But he is no longer fan of 
> Linux.
> "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Only people whose time has no value are 
> [trying] to use it., 

I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.


> and they don't realize how bad it is and life is 
> passing by between nightly fights with OS and inability to run serious 
> commercial Applications. And the Linux people will just stick with it 
> for the same reason a stubborn old-fashioned person will stick with a 
> stick-sfit car stuck in his backyard, with sticks in its wheels.
> 
> "As of myself", Theo concluded, "I realized Linux is garbage and we 
> should fix it.'""
> Deadrats and de Raadt agree: linux sucks.
> ===========
> 
> Esas fueron las palabras de Theo de Raadt, uno de los pioneros en la 
> defensa del software libre y fundador de los proyectos OpenBSD y 
> OpenSSH, acaba de realizar una serie de pol�micas declaraciones a la 
> revista Forbes. De Raadt asegura que "todo el mundo est� usando Linux y 
> nadie se da cuenta de lo malo que es. Sus partidarios lo defienden en 
> lugar de decir: "Esto es una basura que s�lo avanza por el odio a 
> Microsoft, deber�amos arreglarlo".

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster
<bjfoster@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.

You have that right!
Windows 7 a bit better but not better than Windows 3.11 
Vista and Win7 both returned to blue screen of death
Wish Google would get it's Linux version out (Chrome)
Petzl
--
"When Governments fail to enforce law and order, common folk take it upon themselves to do so."

On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:

> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.

You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)

-- 
RonB
Trying Mint Linux LMDE

On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 16:57:35 -0500, Alias wrote:

> Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and
> formerly a huge proponent of free software. But he is no longer fan of
> Linux. "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Only people whose time has no
> value are [trying] to use it., and they don't realize how bad it is and
> life is passing by between nightly fights with OS and inability to run
> serious commercial Applications. And the Linux people will just stick
> with it for the same reason a stubborn old-fashioned person will stick
> with a stick-sfit car stuck in his backyard, with sticks in its wheels.
> 

You have, inadvertently, hit on a significant point. Folks do use Linux 
for a similar reason that they'd prefer a manual transmission: it's much 
more efficient and gives you better control.


> "As of myself", Theo concluded, "I realized Linux is garbage and we
> should fix it.'""
> Deadrats and de Raadt agree: linux sucks. ===========
> 
> Esas fueron las palabras de Theo de Raadt, uno de los pioneros en la
> defensa del software libre y fundador de los proyectos OpenBSD y
> OpenSSH, acaba de realizar una serie de polémicas declaraciones a la
> revista Forbes. De Raadt asegura que "todo el mundo está usando Linux y
> nadie se da cuenta de lo malo que es. Sus partidarios lo defienden en
> lugar de decir: "Esto es una basura que sólo avanza por el odio a
> Microsoft, deberíamos arreglarlo".

On 09/12/2010 11:57 PM, Alias wrote:
> Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and
> formerly a huge proponent of free software. But he is no longer fan of
> Linux.
> "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Only people whose time has no value are
> [trying] to use it., and they don't realize how bad it is and life is
> passing by between nightly fights with OS and inability to run serious
> commercial Applications. And the Linux people will just stick with it
> for the same reason a stubborn old-fashioned person will stick with a
> stick-sfit car stuck in his backyard, with sticks in its wheels.
>
> "As of myself", Theo concluded, "I realized Linux is garbage and we
> should fix it.'""
> Deadrats and de Raadt agree: linux sucks.
> ===========
>
> Esas fueron las palabras de Theo de Raadt, uno de los pioneros en la
> defensa del software libre y fundador de los proyectos OpenBSD y
> OpenSSH, acaba de realizar una serie de pol�micas declaraciones a la
> revista Forbes. De Raadt asegura que "todo el mundo est� usando Linux y
> nadie se da cuenta de lo malo que es. Sus partidarios lo defienden en
> lugar de decir: "Esto es una basura que s�lo avanza por el odio a
> Microsoft, deber�amos arreglarlo".

Once again a Windroid tries to pass itself off as me. Sigh, the price of 
fame ...

-- 
Alias

RonB wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:
> 
>> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.
> 
> You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)

I'm not to sure about that, but I dare say that one could be up-and-running 
from a LiveCD in the time it takes Vista to boot up!

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:53:29 +0000 (UTC), RonB
> <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:
>>
>>> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.
>> You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)
> 
> Not true, but funny :)

You jest - surely you meant the opposite - 'Not funny but true'

It's not true that Windows7 can be paid for with a Vista warranty claim.

bbgruff wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:
>>
>>> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.
>>
>> You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)
>
> I'm not to sure about that, but I dare say that one could be
> up-and-running from a LiveCD in the time it takes Vista to boot up!

You will have put Linux away again in frustration by the time Vista has 
booted.

Clocky wrote:
> bbgruff wrote:
>> RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.
>>> You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)
>> I'm not to sure about that, but I dare say that one could be
>> up-and-running from a LiveCD in the time it takes Vista to boot up!
> 
> You will have put Linux away again in frustration by the time Vista has 
> booted.
> 

ROTFL. After transcribing War & Peace using Open Office 
(http://www.openoffice.org/), which is fully compatible and free.

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.�nvalidados> wrote in message 
news:i6jeri$bn5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Theo de Raadt is a pioneer of the open source software movement and 
> formerly a huge proponent of free software. But he is no longer fan of 
> Linux.
> "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Only people whose time has no value are 
> [trying] to use it., and they don't realize how bad it is and life is 
> passing by between nightly fights with OS and inability to run serious 
> commercial Applications. And the Linux people will just stick with it for 
> the same reason a stubborn old-fashioned person will stick with a 
> stick-sfit car stuck in his backyard, with sticks in its wheels.
>
> "As of myself", Theo concluded, "I realized Linux is garbage and we should 
> fix it.'""
> Deadrats and de Raadt agree: linux sucks.
> Plan of action:
>
> 1. Contribute to original post and repost it.
> 2. Read all posts. Comment, but appreciate other people's opinion. There 
> is
> enough abuse in The Parliament and we want to be more civilised.
> 3. Vote for the best ideas. After voting, copy/paste final version of
> platform and post it everywhere (email, Websites, NG, Media sites - most 
> of
> them have forums). Send it to Senate and Parliament members. Maybe they
> change?
> 4. Print it and go public to find 500 people who agree with us. Bulletin
> Boards in Shops, UNI, etc.
> 5. When 500 people join, register political party. The name of the party 
> can
> be Better Life Party. This is all what we want. Our only opposition are
> people who want majority of Australians to live worse and keep existing 
> not
> very democratically system in which they are privileged.
> 6. YOU, who did the work of thinking and finding 500 people become 
> election
> candidate. It's "your business not mine" (Next PM)
> 7. YOUR platform is what we all agree is the best for Australia.
> 8. We all support YOU at elections by putting the strongest candidates 
> from
> 2 major parties and other candidates who do not give preferences to them
> LAST.
> 9. This is it. See you in The Parliament House.
>
> Next PM
>
> P.S. Who I am? Does it matter?
> Judge me by my ideas and my actions. I reveal my name when the time come.
> Patience is virtue.
> Maybe you can be better PM than me? Isn't the person walking in your shoes
> the best you ever know?
> Trust yourself and follow my instructions. At least try to be a candidate.
> Only 6 people have to sign for you to go for Senate, 500 for the House of
> Reps.
> You have nothing to lose even if you lose on next elections because you 
> have
> tried. Be proud - you are better than current PM and "would be" PM.
> Even if you don't have political ambitions, you will be proud soon that 
> you
> voted for the better life of all Australians including better democracy,
> freedom and justice.
>
> "Next PM"  wrote in message
>> Yes, you read the title correctly: I want to be the next Australian PM.
>
>> Why?
>
>> I am not happy with the current political situation (most Australians
>> aren't) and I think I have some good ideas for change.
>> You can say that I should first learn proper English, but that's the
>> point. I want to speak Australian AND NOT English.
>
>> If you share my opinion, please reply to this newsgroup and PLEASE print
>> this out and ask more people to participate.
>> No bad or useless comments please, as Australian political reality is not
>> very bright and I have genuine intent to make Australia the best country
>> in the world.
>> No bullshit like "we are lucky country" ... full of unhappy people with
>> the highest tax and the rate of suicide in the world.
>
>> Let's see what I think what should be changed.
>> That's my opinion, and I accept discussion and your opinions - more
>> constructive civilised comments will make Australia better place to live
>> if I am elected.
>> Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong, but I am listening, not only BEFORE
>> elections like other politicians, but 24 hours/7 days a week/365 days a
>> year.
>
>> Changes of Constitution will be needed, but Constitution is just a piece
>> of paper with someone's signature on it like every other law, and there
>> were not so many Australians who have any input in the current
>> Constitution. Time to change for better, it's 21st Century.
>
>> This is what I want :
>
>> 1. Fully independent country (not pathologically dependant on UK or USA
>> like is the case now). It's nice to have a Queen, but I think Australia 
>> is
>> mature enough to have an Australian as a head of the state, and I hope I
>> will be the first one - call me the King or the President I don't mind. 
>> No
>> governors or other dignitaries. Work with results and you are paid.
>> Pretend that you have an important role - pay yourself from your own
>> pocket and act how you want or ask the Queen to pay you for entertaining
>> yourself and your friends which is the only current duty of the 
>> Governors.
>> Oh, I forget they have to be good freemasons too. There are many much
>> smaller countries in the world totally independent and self-governed. For
>> example, People of Monaco or Switzerland are very happy people, why not
>> Australia?
>> We have much more resources than they have...
>
>> 2. Direct elections of Parliament and Senate reps. Preferential system
>> scraped and who get direct majority of votes win. Works perfectly in all
>> the world. That includes scraping of ALL Parliamentary and other
>> privileges. If you are a member of parliament you get your wage (which 
>> can
>> be very high but you pay tax on it as everyone else) - no perks. No perks
>> anywhere else. Work is paid, NOT positions - all income is taxable on the
>> same rules. Same law for all.
>
>> 3. All Australian citizens decide about all major issues 4 times (or more
>> or less if needed) every year on referendum. Works perfectly in
>> Switzerland and we are in 21st Century when everyone can vote cheap using
>> Internet, or snail-mail of Australian Post, which is IMHO, one of the 
>> best
>> things we have in Australia.
>
>> 4. No discrimination. All Australians have same rights. This one is a 
>> hard
>> one, but can be done. That exclude Government from my home,family and my
>> bed.
>> I am a family man, but if you are homosexual that's your private business
>> if you keep it in your home. You can be believer of any religion or
>> atheist. That's private opinion not regulated by any law EXCEPT if you
>> directly treat other people. Absolute protection of privacy of family. No
>> Family Court or other crap forcing people to divorce and divide children
>> and properties to make lawyers rich. Obligatory prenuptial agreement (all
>> assets recorded BEFORE marriage), obligatory DNA test when child is born
>> (hey whores, motherfuckers and adulterers I got you!) and automatic
>> division of properties in case of a divorce (to be avoid if possible)
>> according to tax returns and prenuptial agreement. Children custody,
>> generally (there are exceptions due to disability of the parent) 4 days
>> with mum 3 days with dad (or swap weeks even months if more practical),
>> mutually agreed less , but who want less days with kids, have to pay to
>> other parent for that. It's a fact that mums role is more important from
>> kid's eyes, but roles are changing today and flexibility is needed, BUT
>> parents are for life and obligation of care for own children is on their
>> parents. Nobody can take children from parents, abandoning own children 
>> is
>> a crime same like not taking care about old parents. Marriage is 
>> generally
>> for life. If you were joking, pay all costs - no single mothers on
>> Centrelink support for life. Also, reintroduction of guilt for divorce:
>> You screw your partner with someone else - pay alimony to the rest of 
>> your
>> life. Can't be simpler, no lawyers, no courts, no drama, no high costs 
>> for
>> the Government as family rely more on family members support - pure maths
>> in action. Work perfectly in many countries where there is no Centrelink,
>> and I tell you people there are more happy and stay all life with same
>> family. How much you put in your marriage is how much you get. Also, no
>> domestic violence cases without doctor's certificate and NO media
>> reporting at all about private maters like "I think that Bulldogs players
>> rape me in Coffs Harbour" BEFORE FINAL COURT DECISION. Heavy penalty for
>> scandalise, false accusation or vilification others. But, cameras are
>> allowed in the Court - no secrecy and protection of criminals like is the
>> case now. Same law for everyone - no judge opinion. And of course, no
>> foreign company running our prisons.
>
>> 5. No political correctness. All reps in the Parliament and Senate MUST
>> obey voters will. If they don't, they are kicked-out by the voters.
>> Remember referendum 4 times a year? All reps get marks. So we will see
>> what marks Tony Abbott will get for framing One Nation or Downer for 
>> lying
>> about WMD. All reps have mini referendum BEFORE they can vote for 
>> changes.
>> Half automatic decision making.
>
>> 6. All laws and regulations MUST be translated to plain Australian
>> language everyone can understand. All "grey" legislation written to be
>> manipulated by lawyers scraped. All new laws HAVE NOT TO BE in
>> contradiction of the part of 10 Commandments regulating relationship
>> between people, as this simple rules are accepted by all major religions
>> (Judaism, Islam and Christianity which is majority of Australian
>> population) and have no wrong to anyone who want moral, happy life and
>> honour and peace for everyone. Atheist do not need to obey worshiping
>> requested in the first few Commandments.
>
>> 7. All not-Australians (people who don't held Australian citizenship) pay
>> higher tax. Currently, all strangers are robbing Australia and avoid tax.
>
>> 8. All Australians have bulk billing fully paid by the Government. No 
>> need
>> for any Medicare or other Health schemes. Doctors are paid by the
>> Government according to the number of sick people (more sick -  less pay
>> as they have to prevent people being sick). Work perfectly in China. Not
>> necessary doctor's interventions (for example: sick leave certificates 
>> for
>> healthy public servants to take more than 2 days off work, chat sessions
>> for pensioners who has nothing else to do than visit doctor,
>> hypochondriacs or breast enlargement etc..) must be paid from own pocket.
>> Bulk billing services financed from tax -see below. If doctors think they
>> are worth more than prescribed price of service, they can try to charge
>> more. If people are willing to pay they will make money but the risk to
>> lose patients is also there.
>
>> 9. Free dental retirement for all Australians. See number 8. Basically to
>> fill the hole cost actually just few dollars and real price should be 
>> paid
>> by the government. Cosmetic beautification not needed for chewing is
>> private expense and dentist can ask how much money they want. Market
>> demand will regulate the price.Nobody can sue doctor, dentist, fireman or
>> other people that help if something goes wrong. Accidents happen.
>
>> 10. Free Primary schools (with curriculum adjusted to the best European
>> practice). We don't want illiterate children after 8 years of school
>> education unable to do maths and show Australia on the map of the world,
>> which is currently the case. And I hate that the only foreign language
>> option for my kids is Japanese.
>
>> 11. 35 hours work week (7 hours over 5 days). No overtime. More work has
>> to be done - employ more people. Work on weekends - employ more people 
>> and
>> pay penalty for work on weekends, holidays, and out of normal (let's say
>> between 8:30 to 18;00) hours. No experts on the job market - pay for
>> training to have them. It's called good management. Why does the
>> Government have to be responsible for your business? Invest your money in
>> your business to make more money. No work for the dole or teenagers
>> exploitation. Work has price and price is not in any connection with the
>> age of worker.
>
>> 12. High School and College: partly paid by scheme similar to Austudy.
>> People who finish High School or College earn more money. It's fair they
>> return something.
>
>> 13. Study at UNI:  Businesses who want UNI educated workers should 
>> finance
>> them during study. It's called stipendium and it is implemented all 
>> around
>> Europe. If you want to study and no business want to finance you, pay for
>> it yourself as you will earn more money after graduation. I don't believe
>> in poor students from poor families in Australia. People are only poor if
>> they are stupid and waste money. Everyone can live quite comfortably just
>> from Centrelink payments. Ask me - I do. My kids have everything from my
>> pension and my savings from my worktime. It's called financial planning.
>> Take responsibility for yourself!
>
>> 14. Centrelink: All 27,000 people employed there can start looking for 
>> new
>> job. It's 21st Century and in Australia when you start to work you fill
>> existing red form given to Tax office by every employer so your 
>> Centrelink
>> payments automatically stop. When your job is finished, there is form 
>> call
>> separation certificate so your Centrelink benefit can automatically 
>> start.
>> Same benefit covering basic life expenses for all Australians with
>> automatic ALL bills payments as the first priority. No benefit for
>> non-Australians. No black job market or work for cash. Who makes money 
>> can
>> pay the tax.
>
>> 15. Tax: Same flat rate for everyone calculated on formula like: We need
>> $xxx for Australian budget so we need to collect $xxx this year. This is
>> exactly how much we collected last year with some adjustments. Can't be
>> simpler. No tax deductions, business expenses and other claims, no need
>> for tax agents etc. As said before, foreigners (including British 
>> citizens
>> living here for ages refusing to become Australians) pay higher taxes.
>
>> 16 Foreign Policy: Every country get exactly what they give to us. No
>> discriminating FTA or Social Security Agreements and other rubbish. If 
>> USA
>> or any other country wants FTA let's talk about TOTAL abolishment of
>> custom taxes on both sides and free export and import. If this can't work
>> forget it. Protect our jobs and products by custom duty. Why do I have to
>> pay for a kilo of Australian apples for $6 in Australia and I can buy 
>> them
>> for only 50 cents in America? Immigration for more people (not by boats)
>> with obligatory first 3 years in the country. Citizenship after 3 years 
>> if
>> the rules are obeyed (staying in the country and no law breach).
>
>> 17. Defence: No Australian soldier can be involved in any military
>> activity outside Australia. No Iraq, no Afghanistan, no East Timor -
>> people living there has right to arrange their living as they want if 
>> they
>> need help there are UN in New York for help. Imperialism is dead. All
>> Australians have duty to defend Australia INSIDE the Australian borders
>> and should be trained for that. Works perfectly in Switzerland. If
>> Australians want to fight wars outside Australia it's your private
>> business, but don't expect that I will take you out from Guantanamo Delta
>> camp.
>
>> 18. Freedom of speech: no broadcasting licences (same apply to liquor and
>> gambling). Heavy penalties for disinformation and no help should be given
>> to gamblers, alcoholics and drug users. Your choice to damage your life 
>> is
>> your private problem and as per 14. bills are already paid....
>
>> 19 Crimes and prosecution: Reduce number of crimes by abolishment
>> penalties for not damaging activities. For example: no excuse for murder,
>> paedophilia, drug trafficking and other serious crimes, but no speeding
>> tickets and cameras on roads build for 200 km per hour (all freeways and
>> many roads) if you drive according to road capabilities and there is no
>> accident. Loss of licence and other penalties if you cause severe damage
>> or death. Also, abolish restraining orders (penalising for not committed
>> crime in most cases without intention to commit  the crime). Sent
>> applicants to psychiatrist to ask for help for paranoia. Clear,
>> legislations in plain Australian language. Legal Aid automatically 
>> awarded
>> to both sides: 2 options are no lawyers or both have lawyers.
>
>> 20. Abolish outsourcing and keep jobs here. As said before, all foreign
>> business should be taxed. Why Australians have to give more money to
>> already rich strangers? Respect and apology to Aborigines, but no
>> privileges. Same rights for everyone. What happened in the past is over,
>> today is another day preparing us for a better tomorrow.
>
>> I have no idea how I can be elected as a next Australian PM but if this
>> scribbling have any value, help me to be elected.
>
>> Or pass what is good to existing political parties for implementation. If
>> elected, I promise that my cabinet will include members of all major
>> parties for continuity, with exclusion of incompetent or vicious
>> politicians who didn't show any results before. For example, I can't see
>> any role for Tony Abbott, Downer or Vanstone, but Costello or even Howard
>> (if start to tell only the truth), Latham, Rudd, Faulkner, Beasley,
>> Stott-Despoja, Bob Brown, Harradine and Pauline Hanson are welcome. Again
>> , this is only my opinion which can be changed if you convince me.
>
>
>

If you are not happy, return to your native country.

Australian freemasons worked very hard to make Australia as it is.

B J Foster wrote:
> Clocky wrote:
>> bbgruff wrote:
>>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:27:51 +1000, B J Foster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm only using Linux while I wait for Vista to start up.
>>>> You can *install* Linux while waiting for Vista to start up. :)
>>> I'm not to sure about that, but I dare say that one could be
>>> up-and-running from a LiveCD in the time it takes Vista to boot up!
>>
>> You will have put Linux away again in frustration by the time Vista
>> has booted.
>>
>
> ROTFL. After transcribing War & Peace using Open Office
> (http://www.openoffice.org/), which is fully compatible and free.

...and best of all you don't need Linux to use.