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Rod Speed wrote:
> MEB wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23PpvN5nPKHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23w3tGmnPKHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23nRz5TnPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ah, Microsoft runs *filters* here {so do many of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer points},
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your post didn't make it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Here"?  This is usenet.  Microsoft can do what they damn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their server, makes no difference to the majority (people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are actually using usenet, not Microsoft's dumbed down
>>>>>>>>>>>>> web based forums).
>>>>>>>>>>>> No here, on the master for the forum via NNTP.
>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, even Microsoft calls it a "newsgroup" as distinct from
>>>>>>>>>>> a web based
>>>>>>>>>>> "forum"
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a "master" on Usenet.
>>>>>>>>>>> No internet browser is required to access any news server.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, and WE did this before.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sure aren't going to get the newsgroups without either a
>>>>>>>>>> Internet interfaced newsreader, or via direct download FROM
>>>>>>>>>> the Internet or its
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent and some text based alternative... so your argument
>>>>>>>>>> is without basis, its still basically the web or the old style
>>>>>>>>>> BBS recovery. Or is it you think it just magically appears on
>>>>>>>>>> your computer...
>>>>>>>>> You are so pedantic, yet you don't seem to absorb the written
>>>>>>>>> word? What part of my  "No internet browser is required to
>>>>>>>>> access any news server" don't you understand?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about you jam your smartarse "you think it just magically
>>>>>>>>> appears on
>>>>>>>>> your computer..."
>>>>>>>>> where the sun don't shine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What part of you're using an INTERNET BASED NEWSREADER
>>>>>>>> addressing the *SAME* forum don't you understand or do you
>>>>>>>> think the messages just magically appear in your reader...
>>>>>>> My "BROWSER" is not open or ACTIVE while I am sending this
>>>>>>> message on Usenet, you goose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> NO but your web based newsreader IS, ya duck..
>>>>>>
>>>>> You are spoiling your arguments by using the terms *web* and
>>>>> *Internet* interchangably.   Think Internet as being a connection
>>>>> of multiple networks and the WWW as being an application or
>>>>> protocol which runs on top of the Internet, as does SMTP, NNTP,
>>>>> FTP and others.
>>>>>
>>>> Not really, the protocols used, the "what makes up the Internet",
>>>> which is referred to generally as the Web, determines what occurs.
>>>> Without them there is none, not the Internet or the Web, regardless
>>>> of the term used. Throw in an application, and all the broadcasts,
>>>> IPs, and other become a usable presentation. The basic difference?
>>>> The application and protocol.
>>>>
>>>> The issue and misunderstanding seems to be the protocols and their
>>>> usage, e.g., the *application* used to connect to the Web/Internet
>>>> USING a specific protocol. Regardless of the method, it still
>>>> remains the Web/Internet, only the application and resultant
>>>> protocol used changes [as do ports and other aspects, but that is a
>>>> different discussion]. The actual stream [Internet/Web] carries
>>>> multiple protocols within it; it is the application [and whatever
>>>> local and distant other requirements need] that determines the
>>>> "connection" to whatever offered.
>>> You keep implying that the terms Web/Internet are interchangable.
>>> They arent.
>>>
>>> usenet has NOTHING to do with the web.
> 
>> Ok, so where are you receiving the newsgroups from
> 
> You can see that in the headers.
> 
>> and via what [and I don't mean the app used]?
> 
> NNTP. Nothing to do with the web.
> 
> 
> 

The Internet is an internet.

The Web is a web.

The NTTP servers are on the Internet.

The Web is on the Internet.

An intranet may contain an NNTP server and not connect to the Internet.

A web may contain messages from a news group.

The Web may contain messages from Usenets, Forums, private internets or
intranets, News, newsgroups, and news postings.

The Internet contains webs, the Web, newsgroups, News servers, http
servers, etc...

 Now split them from each other... its a ludicrous argument... the world
changes and so does how its perceived.
 Just one more attempt to make Usenet something special... it was
originally, now is another matter.

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