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Article #153Re: Hey, I know -- let's threaten the president in e-mail!
From: Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 17:02
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 17:02
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Hello, clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes: >In article <1994Apr13.141304.19111@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>, >Peter Bruells <Peter.Bruells@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de> wrote: >>Do you mean that the US (or Canada) would extradite their own >>citiziens??? Anglo-Saxon law is even weirder than I imagined.... >I think you're getting confused between extradition and deportation/expulsion/ >exile/stripping of citizenship. He is not. >Extradition is different. If a Canadian citizen, say, committed a major >crime in the US, and escaped back to Canada before arrest, the US government >can initiate extradition proceedings to have the person returned to the US >to stand trial. Canadian law imposes several rules on the extradition process >to make sure that things are fair, regardless of whether the person is >a citizen of Canada or not. For example, the crime must also be a crime >in Canada, the requesting country must have a track record of acceptably >fair trials, the crime must not be political in nature, there's reason to >believe that the right person is being accused, and that if convicted >the person should not be subject to unreasonably harsh penalty. >Germany is no different in this regard. Germany has reciprocal extradition >agreements with both Canada and the US, and can and has extradited German >citizens to stand trial in Canada, the US and elsewhere. Presumably, >Germany also has laws to protect people from unjust extradition similarly to >Canada. This is nonsense. Pure and simple. We have it in the constitution, on very prominent place, that no German citizen may be extradited to another state. Not even within the EU. If it's illegal here, they will take me to court here. If not, then they won't. >There are supposedly countries that inspite of extradition treaties that say >that they must, will not extradite their own nationals under any circumstances. >I've heard that Mexico and Poland are like this, but I don't know for sure. I would seriously doubt that Germany signed any treaty violating the constitution. (And if they did, the treaty is likely void in this regard). Regards Christoph Weber-Fahr -- Christoph Weber-Fahr | E-Mail: weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de Universitaet Kaiserslautern, KIT | S-Mail: Postfach 3049 Tel. 0631/205-3391 | D-67653 Kaiserslautern -------------------------- My personal opinion only ---------------------
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