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In article <6indh4$do6$1@news13.ispnews.com>, "Albert Nurick"
<albert@data.net> wrote:

> J-Mag wrote in message <6ilu99$dq3$1@news.hal-pc.org>...
> >In houston.internet.providers RSJ <rfstjohn@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> >> I refuse to dignify such a fool and liar as Albert but, he lies.  I
> >> have never said that I was above any rules.
> >
> >> He also says he only contacted my isp's to have them teach me some
> >> manners !
> >> Recall the "ring of truth" that I so often use to filter out lies?
> >> Can you just picture someone calling another's i.s.p. and saying:
> >> Pardon me, my dear fellow but, would you mind educating Mr. X about
> >> the proper use of manners?  Naturally, they would reply: Well, but of
> >> course, we will be glad to train whomever you suggest, Mr. Nurick.
> >
> >Actually, this happens more often than you might think.  *Most* of the
> >time, the person committing the infraction isn't aware that it *is* an
> >infraction.   A quick note from someone at their ISP explaining that they
> >should have either not done something or should have done it a different
> >way, is usually all it takes to set them back on the straight & narrow.
> 
> 
> Thanks for clarifying this, J-Mag.  Some of the kooks here have suggested
> that I should have CALLED THE POLICE, when in fact I simply wanted RSJ to
> realize that there *are* rules here for the common good, and his ISP is
> the correct organization to inform him of that.  As witnessed by his posts,
> he's more than a bit irrational when it comes to those of us here who've
> tried repeatedly to point out his errors.  Perhaps he'll listen to you,
> but I'm more likely to believe that he'll decide you're a Texas.Net
> operative.

Listening to what you're saying is like me stepping into a cesspool. I
don't know where to start to get the dripping crap off of me.

The real basic problem in this industry, from the consumer standpoint, is
that if there are any "rules" written down anywhere -- they are a bunch of
disclaimers from the ISP and a bunch of stuff designed by ISP lawyers,
exclusively for the ISPs and not for any "common good" (if you include
"consumers" in the term "common"). The only "common good" that is
referenced is the "common good" of the industry of ISPs -- mainly
referring to the "balance sheet." Now, that's the "common good" being
referenced.

On the consumer side, it's a bunch of rules that many times are vague,
uneforceable and very sporadically enforced -- depending on who you are,
what you say and whether you're liked or not. That's about the size of it
in real life and practice.

And going further, along that line, even the ISPs cannot agree amongst
themselves about any "common set of rules." There are big disagreements
there and you can even see ISPs and other Internet entities arguing loudly
about it.

So, anyone who tries to tell you to abide by the "rules" -- you can say
which set of 2,567 rules are you talking about? And how many are invalid
and have never been tested in a court of law. And how many would be so
vague to be totally unenforceable. It goes on and on. The only thing these
rules accomplish is totally confuse any new user and put all the "cards"
into the hands of "net-nazis" to say -- "Oh, you broke the rules." There
are so many "competing" rules (where one thing disagrees with another),
that you might as well say you have "no rules" at all. And if someone
tries to "enforce" the rules -- all it really comes down to is not
"enforcing the rules" -- but trying to "pull your plug" -- and get you
canned from your ISP.

This deal about "rules" is the biggest fraud and sham there is on the
Internet. There are laws in this country -- and if those are broken, then
you call the authorities. But, if anyone tries to tell you there are
"rules" on the Internet -- well just "roll on the floor laughing" because
that's about all it's worth.

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For an "example" of the "rules" -- just look at the "copyright flap" about
including e-mail addresses in a posting. "There are no rules on the
Internet (really damn few; a very few though). But there are laws in this
country and they are dealt with by the authorities.

The rest you hear about is all garbage (if someone tries to tell you
"broke the rules").

                        the  original
                    --> Star Traveler <--
                    aldeberan@hotmail.com

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