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Article #338Re: EFF:Dead.
From: Maxwell Daymon
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:00
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:00
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Stephen Boursy (boursy@world.std.com) wrote: : point was, and remains, that they have done virtually nothing for : individual consumers who have problems with ISP's regarding censorship-- : i.e. plug pulling, content censorship, forged cencels, etc. That to me : is where at least a healthy portion of the emphasis should be. And what CAN they do? If I go paint advertisements on the side of your house and post my signs in your front yard, what organization would come to MY defense yelling that you are stripping me of my 1st amendment rights? Part of the lack of focus is due to the fact that this has to do with the ISP's rights to NOT cater to you if they choose not to. The bottom line is that the ISP owns 'the press' and you have no more right to force them to distribute your crap than you do to force a newspaper to print YOUR stories on the front page (or any page) of the paper. Just like you don't get to paint on the front of my house and put your for sale signs in my yard, you don't get to tell me what I'll allow or disallow on my machines. *CENSORSHIP* is when you ARE an ISP and the government shuts you down. As long as you are using other people's equipment, they get to say what goes. In the same way, magazines can refuse advertising from companies that their readership has complained about. There is no first amendment right that says you can FORCE people into publishing your works. You or free to publish your OWN magazines with whatever you want, but when you cross the line into demanding others to publish your works, you are out of first amendment protection. You don't get rights to their property. : consumer organiztion, must be on protecting the rights of the consumer : which are often at odds with policies of profit making ISP's. There is very little that can be done short of starting your own ISPs that don't cater to that and make it a selling point.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11544f,ad7f1fca5ae3c06d X-Google-Attributes: gid11544f,public X-Google-Thread: 100ecf,ad7f1fca5ae3c06d X-Google-Attributes: gid100ecf,public X-Google-Thread: 114ca8,ad7f1fca5ae3c06d X-Google-Attributes: gid114ca8,public X-Google-Thread: 110a63,ad7f1fca5ae3c06d X-Google-Attributes: gid110a63,public X-Google-Thread: f94ac,56825be7e9596542 X-Google-Attributes: gidf94ac,public X-Google-Thread: 1159e4,56825be7e9596542 X-Google-Attributes: gid1159e4,public X-Google-Thread: 1042ac,ad7f1fca5ae3c06d X-Google-Attributes: gid1042ac,public X-Google-Thread: 1085e3,56825be7e9596542 X-Google-Attributes: gid1085e3,public From: mdaymon@rainbow.rmii.com (Maxwell Daymon) Subject: Re: EFF:Dead. Date: 1996/02/11 Message-ID: <4fki1l$aiu@natasha.rmii.com> X-Deja-AN: 138900337 distribution: inet references: <DLwB3G.D5n.0.sheppard@torfree.net> <310BE334.B5C@passport.ca> <DM16pw.6qG@world.std.com> <4fbi7r$l3m@cloner2.ix.netcom.com> <DMHMMK.BpM@world.std.com> followup-to: alt.wired,alt.journalism,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,earth.general,news.admin.policy,alt.politics.greens,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.rep,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,alt.censorship,soc.culture.internet,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.usenet,nyc.general,la.general,tor.general organization: Rocky Mountain Internet Inc. newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.journalism,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,earth.general,news.admin.policy,alt.politics.greens,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.rep,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,alt.censorship,soc.culture.internet,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.usenet,nyc.general,la.general,tor.general