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Article #81Re: Hey, I know -- let's threaten the president in e-mail!
From: Alex Nishri
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 06:05
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 06:05
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In article <1994Apr14.011636.628@sdg.dra.com>, <sean@sdg.dra.com> wrote: >In article <Co7Du3.Dx0@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>, nishri@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri) writes: >> Americans are forbidden from phoning Cuba directly themselves. I think we >> can all agree that this limits free speech between those in the USA and >> those in Cuba. Of course, most Canadians respect the right of the USA to >> enact its own laws. But say, hypothetically, that a Canadian company >> offered the following service: Americans could phone a number in Canada, >> get a second dial tone, and then dial direct to Cuba. (Without going into >> details, this is not fiction.) > >Too bad you got your facts wrong. Its an economic embargo. Lots of people >telephone Cuba from the U.S. everyday (especially from south Florida). >However, AT&T (and soon Sprint, yes Sprint got approval to provide telephone >service to Cuba) is forbidden from sending money to Cuba. So the money >is deposited in an escrow account. > >Of course, the Cuban government doesn't like not getting the money. So >Cuba encourages people to route the calls through other countries (such >as Canada) which will pay Cuba. The U.S. Government had no problem with >a Canadian company offering a service where people in the U.S. could dial >a number in Canada and then direct dial to Cuba. They had a problem with >the transfer of money to Cuba. The Canadian company was blocked from >collecting money from people in the U.S. and sending part of it to Cuba, >not from making telephone calls to Cuba. >-- >Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO >Domain: sean@dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100 You are right--your government has told you that the reason for certain restrictions and procedures when dealing with Cuba is "economic embargo". And you are right--a company operating on Canadian soil, where this restriction does not exist, was stopped from offering a service using the telephone network because it violated the spirit of the American restriction. Now on the other hand we have a restriction in Canada-we have been told there is a court order asking for certain information not to be published until a certain trail has begun. And we have a company operating on American soil, where this restriction does not exist, offering a way around the spirit of the Canadian restriction by publishing the information to Canadians via a computer network. (I conclude it is being published to Canadians because this company released a statement saying it was putting the information up on a gopher/WWW server early only because of the court order.) So the example stands. Note, that one should not confuse the merits of the economic embargo or merits of the order to delay publication of information with the issues that arise when telephone and computer network technology are used outside a country to get around its national laws. In both cases above, a company outside a country circumvents the intention of that country's laws. If you believe that this is a valid form of dissent, then is any non-citizen of your country, living anywhere in the world free to come up with ways to circumvent the laws of your country they disagree with? Only certain laws? So, I am curious, what area code do you use when direct dialing (ie without operator assistance) Cuba?
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f504b,a5ab070e57406043 X-Google-Attributes: gidf504b,public X-Google-Thread: 1009fe,a5ab070e57406043 X-Google-Attributes: gid1009fe,public X-Google-Thread: 1159e4,a5ab070e57406043 X-Google-Attributes: gid1159e4,public X-Google-Thread: 1064b2,a5ab070e57406043 X-Google-Attributes: gid1064b2,public X-Google-Thread: fb1ea,a5ab070e57406043 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1ea,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-04-14 23:05:42 PST Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.pub-ban.homolka,alt.fan.karla-homolka,can.legal,can.general Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utgpu!nishri From: nishri@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (Alex Nishri) Subject: Re: Hey, I know -- let's threaten the president in e-mail! Message-ID: <CoAE9J.Ioz@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> Organization: UTCC Public Access References: <Co4vBv.IEs@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> <2oeajm$ii6@panix.com> <Co7Du3.Dx0@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> <1994Apr14.011636.628@sdg.dra.com> Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 06:05:42 GMT Lines: 56