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Article #129Re: Should Altopia just claim bankruptcy?
From: Peter Hucker
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:14
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:14
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:17:12 -0000, Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
> engineer2 <engineer2@the.lab> writes:
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:25:40 +0000, Chris Caputo wrote:
>>> Taking into account our lower retention, if we offered $12/month
>>> unthrottled, with SSL and 10 streams, would that be reasonable?
>>
>> I've noticed that the number of simultaneous connections (streams?)
>> seems to be important to people, but I've never understood the reason.
>
> I imagine the reasons vary.
>
> With multiple connections you can download binaries in one group while
> browsing text messages in another, for example.
>
>> Does each one of your simultaneous connections add another increment
>> of throttled bandwidth? Other than that, I can't see any advantage.
>
> On our throttled connections, although our terms indicate that bandwidth
> is distributed across parallel connections, I haven't found it necessary
> to actually implement that and enforce it. Therefore, on our throttled
> offerings, multiple connections will actually increase overall throughput.
>
> In general, with TCP performance testing, I find that a single unthrottled
> stream is best able to utilize available bandwidth. Others may disagree
> or have more scientific input.
My newsreader downloads using four connections. I usually get exactly the bandwidth I've paid for, not four times that. Occasionally at non-peak times it goes a lot higher, but I assume it's not being limited at those times.
>> I've read that even ISP's are considering usage-based accounts (to
>> penalize you binaries junkies who download 24/7 from unthrottled
>> NSP's ;-)
>
> Some ISP's are rumored to be heading in that direction, no doubt.
>
> ISP's frequently buy from backbones using a 95th percentile method of
> billing, so bringing usage billing down to the consumer may be tempting
> for some business models.
My ISP has an x GB per month for y amount of cash, plus can choose to pay more per GB if you go over the limit, or have it just stop working.
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