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Re: Altopia announces SSL and unthrottled service

#165
From: George G
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49
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%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: 

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net: 
>> 
>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>> >>
>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time
>> >>> to understand our policies, I do not bother. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>> >>
>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
>> >>kill-files" policy?
>> > 
>> > No.
>> > 
>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>> > 
>> > No.
>> > 
>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
>> > email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
>> > From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
>> > 
>> > Chris Caputo
>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>> 
>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for that. You
>> must be very proud.
> 
> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it seems
> to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly amusing that
> someone posting as George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> should
> be complaining about what other users stick in their From:
> address. It also seems from here that George G has
> cross-posted a message in order to stir up trouble or to
> harvest howls of outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo.
> Again, hardly impeccable behaviour. 
> 
> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want to
> drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups to a smoking
> wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of re-posed ASCII art.
> However I can't blame Chris Caputo for that. It's the immature
> individuals concerned that are the root of the problem and
> often their "opponents" such as George G are in exactly the 
> same boat.
> 
> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has been
> unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say NTL or
> BT. 

The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers to 
nym-shift with impunity. That destroys newsgroups. If you don't 
like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to defeat the 
filter.
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Subject: Re: Altopia announces SSL and unthrottled service
From: George G <invalid@invalid.invalid>
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