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Re: Altopia announces SSL and unthrottled service

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From: Peter Hucker
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:04
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>
>> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net:
>>>
>>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>>> >>
>>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>>> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>>> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time
>>> >>> to understand our policies, I do not bother.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>>> >>
>>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
>>> >>kill-files" policy?
>>> >
>>> > No.
>>> >
>>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>>> >
>>> > No.
>>> >
>>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
>>> > email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
>>> > From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
>>> >
>>> > Chris Caputo
>>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>>>
>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for that. You
>>> must be very proud.
>>
>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it seems
>> to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly amusing that
>> someone posting as George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> should
>> be complaining about what other users stick in their From:
>> address. It also seems from here that George G has
>> cross-posted a message in order to stir up trouble or to
>> harvest howls of outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo.
>> Again, hardly impeccable behaviour.
>>
>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want to
>> drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups to a smoking
>> wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of re-posed ASCII art.
>> However I can't blame Chris Caputo for that. It's the immature
>> individuals concerned that are the root of the problem and
>> often their "opponents" such as George G are in exactly the
>> same boat.
>>
>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has been
>> unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say NTL or
>> BT.
>
> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers to
> nym-shift with impunity. That destroys newsgroups. If you don't
> like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to defeat the
> filter.

If he started killing accounts for that, where would he draw the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"?

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