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Re: x posted trolls now forbidden

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From: Dave Korn
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:00
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"Kate" <anonyme@meow.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:10:27 -0000 "Dave Korn"
> >Kate wrote in message <3jnp4u84t2hjcu0mftnp9ale406lml7ccf@4ax.com>...
>
> >>Yes. I don't think the peeps who cancel things consider content, but
> >>who knows.
>
> >  Well, nobody *truly* knows, but it's fairly easy to track down stuff
> >that's being cancelled and see who cancelled it and whether it really was
> >massposted spam or not.  People are often accusing the spamcancellers of
> >being censors and trying to drop hints that they (the cancellers) hide
> >cancels of messages they want to censor for personal or political
> >motivations here and there among the spamcancels.  But the people who
shout
> >loudest about this never provide the slightest little bit of evidence,
which
> >would be easy to do if it really was happening.
>
> Actually, Jet wrote a very nice and complete explanation of how this
> is done by 'official' cancellers such as Andrew Gierth. I archived it,
> if you'd like I can repost it into nanau, if it's ok with her.

  Ooh yes pleace.  That would be interesting, I've got no idea myself what
sort of things the spambots search for, though I could make a few guesses.

> As far as rogue cancellers go, who knows what their motivations are?

  Mostly it seems to be the childish inability to accept not having
everything their own way.  Really, I'm not just being sarky there, pretty
much every one that I've been aware of has really been immature to the point
of serious impairment.

> >  During the US elections t'other year, there were quite a few
> >politically-motivated spam runs, and they all got cancelled, same as any
> >other spam.
>
> It's interesting how it's done.
>
> >  I'm betting that if there had been even the slightest *appearance* of
bias
> >or anything less than 100%-evenhandedness from any of the spamcancellers,
> >the media-monitoring teams (of whichever side the spam was in favour of)
> >would *still* be here today, kicking up a fuss about it.  There wasn't a
> >peep out of any of the political parties over the issue though.
>
> Hmm. I wonder how much flack spam cancellers get over censorship
> issues -- other than from the obvious source.

  Well, it's pretty much the standard accusation that's trotted out by
pretty much every spammer who wants to paint themselves as the injured
party, but AFAIK it's only the hipslime / kook cabal guys that have been
trying to make a 'big-lie' style propaganda campaign out of it.

          DaveK
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