🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Thread View: at.freizeit.sf.startrek
2 messages
2 total messages Started by . Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:07
[Buecher] Kobayashi Maru (Spoiler)
#123
Author: .
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:07
99 lines
5984 bytes
Baerbel Haddrell
============

Dies ist meine Besprechung von Kobayashi Maru (Michael A. Martin & Andy 
Mangels). Es ist das dritte Enterprise Buch, das die Story aus der TV 
Serie weiterfuehrt.



S P O I L E R

*

*

*

I like the book but compared with the other post-TV Enterprise novels, I 
found it the least interesting.

It also didn`t help that I wasn`t happy with some of the uses of 
language in the book. First of all, I found the use of alien words in 
this novel excessive. It certainly doesn`t bother me when they are used 
sparingly and I ideally have a good idea what it means. That can even 
enrich a novel. But in this case, I found it tiresome and annoying. It 
is worse than reading incomprehensible treknobabble.

Second, I am not happy that Pocket Books sanctioned the use of the 
f-word in Star Trek for the first time at the beginning of chapter 44. I 
don`t mind the word �shit� (or variations like �Merde�, �Scheisse�, even 
the mismatched and misused �Scheisskopf� from the first Destiny book) as 
an exception of the rule and if it is really fitting into the situation 
in question. But in this case, there was no need for swearing 
whatsoever. On top of that I had the feeling the authors wanted to be 
clever by putting this word play into the book. It wasn`t clever. It was 
crude and annoying and most definitely unnecessary. Yes, I know, some 
people use the f-word all the time and don`t think anything of it. That 
doesn`t mean it is a good idea and I disagree with it that introducing 
this word into Star Trek books is something desirable.

Third, I can see now that David Mack followed this book`s example when 
mixing English and German language whenever Lieutenant Graylock said 
something. Therefore I am not blaming him any more for it. As I said 
when I wrote my first Destiny review: What is it about Germans (or 
German speaking Austrians) in American literature or movies sometimes? I 
have never met any German who speaks English and sprinkles German words 
into his or her English as found also in this book. I certainly don`t. 
�Scheisskopf� made me laugh but this time, it wasn`t funny. First, when 
using other languages as a professional writer, make sure that 
everything is spelled correctly! Second, on page 355 I found an example 
of the worst Marvel German (as I call it) I have seen in a very long 
time. �Liebchen� is a typical Marvel German word. I never used it and if 
that word even exists, it must be very old. �Liebling�, that would make 
much more sense. But I don`t find it cute to have an intelligent grown 
man who should be able to speak English properly not to mention be able 
to use his native language correctly calling the engines in his engine 
room �little darlings�. Next time, please contact a native speaker of 
the language in question and get some input first! It would have been an 
easy thing to do and I am sure, there are lots of fans who would have 
loved to help. I am certainly one of them.

Putting the language annoyances aside, Kobayashi Maru is an entertaining 
book I enjoyed. I have a weakness for good, touching love stories and I 
loved it to read how T`Pol and Reed went on this unauthorized mission to 
save Trip. I cringed and laughed at the same time when they saved him at 
the last possible moment. It is a clich� but in this case, I didn`t 
mind. Well, Trip surviving not only because of his skills and bravery 
but also because of a big dose of luck is part of the charm of these 
books. It was also good to see that the bond between T`Pol and Trip is 
as strong as ever.

After Trip had been courageous and incredibly lucky again when he got 
out of the doomed ship with Sopek, I am confident this will continue 
concerning his encounter with the space mine. Nevertheless, I have to 
wonder how long this lucky streak will last. I liked it that Archer was 
first of all glad to have T`Pol and Reed, who are not only his officers 
but also his friends, back afterwards and that their relationship didn`t 
seem to have suffered.

Because I read the first Destiny novel first, a lot in this book was not 
a surprise to me. But even if I hadn`t, some aspects were definitely 
predictable like some of the bickering that was going on between various 
political factions and ambassadors. That the Klingons can suffer from 
misguided pride didn`t surprise me either but that the Vulcans would 
want to hide the vulnerability of their ships towards the Romulan weapon 
is not what I would have expected.

The infamous no-win situation concerning the Kobayashi Maru was very 
interesting to read and moving. I could see that Archer did what he 
could to save these people but had to give up at this point. It was a 
dreadful choice he was forced to make but I think it was definitely the 
lesser of two evils. I understand Mayweather`s resentment but only on an 
emotional level. Archer did nothing wrong.

The next Enterprise book should definitely be interesting. I am very 
much looking forward to it.


Baerbel Haddrell
NEW & SEALED APPLE IPOD TOUCH 8GB 2ND GEN MB528LL/A
#136
Author: stermen
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 20:07
126 lines
8113 bytes
NEW & SEALED APPLE IPOD TOUCH 8GB 2ND GEN MB528LL/A

FREE USPS PRIORITY MAIL! BONUS SOFTWARE! CASHBACK!

Click to go

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5336229480&toolid=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Felectronics.shop.ebay.com%2Fitems%2FiPod-MP3-Players_%3FBrand%3DApple%252520iPod%26Product%252520Line%3DiPod%252520Touch%26Condition%3DNew%26_dmpt%3DOther_MP3_Players%26_fln%3D1%26_sacat%3D73839%26_ssov%3D1%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m282%26_mPrRngCbx%3D1%26_udlo%3D179.91%26_udhi%3D267.99%26_qi%3DRTM547901



HELLO ALL AND WELCOME TO OUR BUY IT NOW FOR A BRAND NEW, 100% AUTHENTIC AND 
SEALED APPLE IPOD TOUCH! ,
8GB MODEL!! This is the latest and greatest from Apple and the 2ND 
Generation of this wonderful iPod!


As well, this is eligible for live.com's cashback. You can get this iPod for 
about $186!
Please email us if you need assistance on getting the cashback rebate.


Click to go

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=4&campid=5336229480&toolid=10001&customid=&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Felectronics.shop.ebay.com%2Fitems%2FiPod-MP3-Players_%3FBrand%3DApple%252520iPod%26Product%252520Line%3DiPod%252520Touch%26Condition%3DNew%26_dmpt%3DOther_MP3_Players%26_fln%3D1%26_sacat%3D73839%26_ssov%3D1%26_trksid%3Dp3286.c0.m282%26_mPrRngCbx%3D1%26_udlo%3D179.91%26_udhi%3D267.99%26_qi%3DRTM547901

"." <.@trekdata.demon.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:gepado$fa4$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> Baerbel Haddrell
> ============
>
> Dies ist meine Besprechung von Kobayashi Maru (Michael A. Martin & Andy 
> Mangels). Es ist das dritte Enterprise Buch, das die Story aus der TV 
> Serie weiterfuehrt.
>
>
>
> S P O I L E R
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> I like the book but compared with the other post-TV Enterprise novels, I 
> found it the least interesting.
>
> It also didn`t help that I wasn`t happy with some of the uses of language 
> in the book. First of all, I found the use of alien words in this novel 
> excessive. It certainly doesn`t bother me when they are used sparingly and 
> I ideally have a good idea what it means. That can even enrich a novel. 
> But in this case, I found it tiresome and annoying. It is worse than 
> reading incomprehensible treknobabble.
>
> Second, I am not happy that Pocket Books sanctioned the use of the f-word 
> in Star Trek for the first time at the beginning of chapter 44. I don`t 
> mind the word �shit� (or variations like �Merde�, �Scheisse�, even the 
> mismatched and misused �Scheisskopf� from the first Destiny book) as an 
> exception of the rule and if it is really fitting into the situation in 
> question. But in this case, there was no need for swearing whatsoever. On 
> top of that I had the feeling the authors wanted to be clever by putting 
> this word play into the book. It wasn`t clever. It was crude and annoying 
> and most definitely unnecessary. Yes, I know, some people use the f-word 
> all the time and don`t think anything of it. That doesn`t mean it is a 
> good idea and I disagree with it that introducing this word into Star Trek 
> books is something desirable.
>
> Third, I can see now that David Mack followed this book`s example when 
> mixing English and German language whenever Lieutenant Graylock said 
> something. Therefore I am not blaming him any more for it. As I said when 
> I wrote my first Destiny review: What is it about Germans (or German 
> speaking Austrians) in American literature or movies sometimes? I have 
> never met any German who speaks English and sprinkles German words into 
> his or her English as found also in this book. I certainly don`t. 
> �Scheisskopf� made me laugh but this time, it wasn`t funny. First, when 
> using other languages as a professional writer, make sure that everything 
> is spelled correctly! Second, on page 355 I found an example of the worst 
> Marvel German (as I call it) I have seen in a very long time. �Liebchen� 
> is a typical Marvel German word. I never used it and if that word even 
> exists, it must be very old. �Liebling�, that would make much more sense. 
> But I don`t find it cute to have an intelligent grown man who should be 
> able to speak English properly not to mention be able to use his native 
> language correctly calling the engines in his engine room �little 
>  darlings�. Next time, please contact a native speaker of the language in 
> question and get some input first! It would have been an easy thing to do 
> and I am sure, there are lots of fans who would have loved to help. I am 
> certainly one of them.
>
> Putting the language annoyances aside, Kobayashi Maru is an entertaining 
> book I enjoyed. I have a weakness for good, touching love stories and I 
> loved it to read how T`Pol and Reed went on this unauthorized mission to 
> save Trip. I cringed and laughed at the same time when they saved him at 
> the last possible moment. It is a clich� but in this case, I didn`t mind. 
> Well, Trip surviving not only because of his skills and bravery but also 
> because of a big dose of luck is part of the charm of these books. It was 
> also good to see that the bond between T`Pol and Trip is as strong as 
> ever.
>
> After Trip had been courageous and incredibly lucky again when he got out 
> of the doomed ship with Sopek, I am confident this will continue 
> concerning his encounter with the space mine. Nevertheless, I have to 
> wonder how long this lucky streak will last. I liked it that Archer was 
> first of all glad to have T`Pol and Reed, who are not only his officers 
> but also his friends, back afterwards and that their relationship didn`t 
> seem to have suffered.
>
> Because I read the first Destiny novel first, a lot in this book was not a 
> surprise to me. But even if I hadn`t, some aspects were definitely 
> predictable like some of the bickering that was going on between various 
> political factions and ambassadors. That the Klingons can suffer from 
> misguided pride didn`t surprise me either but that the Vulcans would want 
> to hide the vulnerability of their ships towards the Romulan weapon is not 
> what I would have expected.
>
> The infamous no-win situation concerning the Kobayashi Maru was very 
> interesting to read and moving. I could see that Archer did what he could 
> to save these people but had to give up at this point. It was a dreadful 
> choice he was forced to make but I think it was definitely the lesser of 
> two evils. I understand Mayweather`s resentment but only on an emotional 
> level. Archer did nothing wrong.
>
> The next Enterprise book should definitely be interesting. I am very much 
> looking forward to it.
>
>
> Baerbel Haddrell 
Thread Navigation

This is a paginated view of messages in the thread with full content displayed inline.

Messages are displayed in chronological order, with the original post highlighted in green.

Use pagination controls to navigate through all messages in large threads.

Back to All Threads