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From: Barry Shein
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:00
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Did you know that you can incur a $20 or more charge on your phone
bill by just dialing a 1-800 (or 888 etc, "toll-free") number?
And, if you don't pay it (or resolve it) you'll be in default on your
phone bill.
There seems to be this racket run by companies such as Integretel
where someone can set up an 800 number and if you call it, wham,
there'll be some large charge on your phone bill in the 3rd party
section.
You don't have to agree to anything, the other party just has to
capture your number (which they always can do with toll-free dialing)
and bill it.
Do you expect a $20 or more charge to appear on your bill as the
result of calling an 800 number?
I found this out first-hand when not only did I get such a charge, but
it kept re-appearing anew month after month!
I kept calling my local telco and they kept removing it (warning me
each time that the other party could pursue collections by other
means), but it became enough of a nuisance that I began to
investigate.
I was particularly disturbed that a call to Integretel to try to clear
this up appeared on my bill as another $20 charge! Not only didn't
they remove the call, they tried to bill me for calling them to tell
them they made a mistake.
A call to the PUC here indicates this is completely legal and they
even defended the practice, but did get this month's new charges
removed for me and said they called Integretel and asked them to stop
adding these charges.
This is relevant to com-priv because I believe this started when I
called an 800 number during the investigation of a spam message to our
system.
I think this is crooked, a full-employment act for criminals, and it
undermines the utility of 800 numbers for honest people.
I know I'll think twice now before dialing any toll-free number and
would advise the same hesitation in others. Although it's not that
difficult to get the specific charge removed from your bill (yet):
A) It's a nuisance to have to call every month to get
charges removed. And what right does this company have
to add new charges month after month? Why did I have to
to spend my time calling the PUC to get them to stop this,
and why isn't there any (apparent) sanction against the
company for doing this? Even if they claimed I called
this 800 number once, I certainly didn't call it every
month since August 1997!
B) It assumes you carefully check your bill every month,
which you should, but I bet that's what these slimebags live
off of; people who don't check or just don't understand that
they've been ripped-off and assume it must be something they owe.
C) The PUC was so certain that this was a legitimate form
of business that I wouldn't bet on getting these charges
removed politely in the future. I think we're going to
find ourselves in a position of "hey, you want your phone
service, pay what it says, otherwise we'll shut you off".
I realize most people think their shock and outrage at what they'd
view as a ridiculous charge should save the day, but believe me that
wasn't what the PUC was saying. They were basically saying to me
"that's right, that's how it works, we'll remove it this time but get
used to it!"
Apparently the FCC also thinks this rip-off is a swell idea.
SUGGESTIONS:
1. You should be able to block the ability to dial these numbers from
your phone, just like you can block 900 numbers. If the telco finds
that too complex then they should dump this whole service.
2. Such companies should be required to give a clear message that if
you proceed you will be charged, and how much, and give you a chance
to hang up before any charges are incurred.
3. The telcos should be required to spend some money informing their
customers that they can be liable for large charges on their bills as
the result of dialing what appear to be toll-free numbers.
Because right now this is just a fraud, plain and simple.
I don't believe you could find one person out of a 100 on the street
who would know that they can be charged $20 or more for dialing a
TOLL-FREE number.
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-Barry Shein
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