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Article #285Re: AUUGN ridiculously late again
From: Chris Maltby
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1992 00:19
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1992 00:19
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In <1992Mar13.040211.11451@DIALix.oz.au> abcc@DIALix.oz.au (Adrian Booth Computing Consultants) writes: [Comments on comments on the structure of AUUG] >What you *should* do is print it out and snail mail it. If the committee >is acting responsibly there is no way it can ignore a physical letter >delivered to it with a request "To be presented to the committee >at its next meeting". (The next committee meeting is real soon now, >maybe a FAX would be better). I have written a letter in this form to the >committee basically detailing the points you listed above; the more that >they receive (especially all at once), the better. You would be wrong to believe that the AUUG committee doesn't know about these concerns or that it is deliberately ignoring them. I am the longest serving Committee member, and this debate (in one form or another) has been going on for years. I think the commercialisation of UNIX (and its user groups) has always been inevitable - we have held back the tide much more than you imagine. That doesn't mean you can't be nostalgic about the great old conferences where Robert Elz talked about tty drivers, but UNIX is now so mainstream (read boring) that these papers are being presented somewhere else. Also remember that in those days there was real development work for UNIX going on in Australia; how many Universities in OZ are working on operating systems now? Where is our Mach, Andrew, bsd4.4 etc etc? USENIX holds intensely technical conferences still (they're great to attend) and people from Berkeley, CMU, MIT etc and the vendors give these sort of papers - clever country? So, returning to the point of the posting above (and ignoring the usual slurs), AUUG finds itself in a difficult position. It isn't a large organisation (though it is large enough to split :-(), and it's not too remote from its members. The committee doesn't ignore members who have suggestions and the energy to do something with them. The committee has been trying for a long time (with mixed success) to retain a strong technical flavour and at the same time encourage the commercial people. We are hampered in this by almost complete apathy from the membership - the most motivated are the commercial leaning types. Why is this I wonder? It is even more strange when you consider that AUUG has a fairly good annual budget which could be applied to all sorts of good ideas which benefit the technical membership - so where are the ideas and where is the effort to make something of them? As always, occasional bursts of cheap criticism and long periods of drowzy silence. I'm quite happy to retire my position if it will encourage new people with great ideas to revitalise AUUG; I will enjoy carping at their inadequacies too! Chris Maltby (AUUG Vice President) -- Chris Maltby - Softway Pty Ltd (chris@softway.sw.oz.au) PHONE: +61-2-698-2322 UUCP: uunet!softway.sw.oz.au!chris FAX: +61-2-699-9174 INTERNET: chris@softway.sw.oz.au
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10db45,30138a09708b22dd X-Google-Attributes: gid10db45,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-03-16 02:16:01 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!cluster!swift!suite.sw.oz.au!chris From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) Newsgroups: aus.auug Subject: Re: AUUGN ridiculously late again Message-ID: <chris.700705144@suite.sw.oz.au> Date: 16 Mar 92 00:19:04 GMT Article-I.D.: suite.chris.700705144 References: <janet.700133412@dunnart> <1992Mar10.005300.26091@megadata.uucp> <1992Mar13.040211.11451@DIALix.oz.au> Sender: news@softway.sw.oz.au (Usenet) Distribution: aus Organization: Softway Pty Ltd Lines: 56