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Andrew Ryan (genanr@flood.xnet.com) wrote:
: 	I agree, I think the libsvga & DOSEMU people should work on
: supporting more cards.  I think the libsvga people are working on a better
: and faster library, I hope they add support for more cards.


	At least as much as XFree86 does.  I hope the libsvga guys are 
reading this :-) ...


: : 	Chances are, the DOSEMU guys will have Win3.11 support sooner than
: : the WINE team.  I mean, things look pretty good now ('tho it still crashes
: : .. I was certainly impressed).  It doesn't seem that DOSEMU has that much
: : further to go in getting full, reliable Win3.11 support.  The only real
: : advantage I see in using WINE is being able to run Windows apps from a
: : remote X client (that's possible right?  WINE being an X app and all).  I
: : can certainly get by with running Win3.11 under DOSEMU and Linux and I'm
: : sure a bunch of other people would too.  I mean, that's how OS/2 does it. 
: : Hell ... once the DOSEMU team gets full Win3.11 support, OS/2 will have
: : absolutly nothing over Linux (IMHO). 
: Since I haven't yet tried to run win3.11 in the dosemu I don't much about
: it.  But I argee with you that DOSEMU will run Win3.11 better than Wine for
: quite a while.


	Win3.11 starts up in DOSEMU, 'tho the Program Manager groups are 
hosed (this is a common occurance that everybody who's tried it have 
reported ... I have no idea why it does this ... not that bad 'tho, all 
you gotta do is add them back in).  And the mouse pointer is really jerky 
(slowing down the mouse helps a bit ... OS/2 had this problem with full 
screen Win-OS/2 sessions ... I forget the fix for it 'tho).  And I was 
able to run the Win3.11 applets like File Manager, Solitaire, and some 
others.  But real apps crashed it.  However, I was impressed as to how 
far I got with it.  I was just expecting to be able to see the ProgMan 
interface and that's it.

	No doubt that DOSEMU will have Win3.11 support sooner than WINE. 
Not to be offending to the WINE guys, but they're going awfully slow. 
Well, not that slow considering that they're trying to implement the Win16
API from the ground up.  But, all the DOSEMU people have to do is get MS
Windows 3.11 to run stable enough in the DOSEMU environment ... support
for the Win16 API is already there!  So, DOSEMU is practically home.  
WINE, OTOH, it seems, still has to get past first base.

	It seems like by the time WINE has workable Win16 support, Win16
will be totally phased out.  However, I read that Win32s support is also 
planned for WINE (and maybe eventially Win32?).  So that's a plus for the 
WINE team.  The DOSEMU solution is strictly limited to Win16.  Well, 
maybe the Win32s add on for OS/2 will work under DOSEMU?  So maybe Win32s 
is about as far as DOSEMU can go.  WINE can go all the way.  So in way, 
DOSEMU and WINE aren't really competitors.  DOSEMU will just give us 
something to play with so we can let the WINE team go to work.

	Which is fine by me.  I don't even need Win32 support.  I just 
need to able to run the few Win16 programs that I have now.  


Arcadio