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In aus.computers.sun Craig Dewick <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
: In <386af8af.0@clarion.carno.net.au> Darren Reed <avalon@caligula.anu.edu.au> writes:
[...]
: I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The Sparc Classic I'm advertising
: has more RAM (which is worth about $200 to source from Sun), a bigger disk
: (another $100 or so of value because the drive is not very old), and it
: comes with a D13W3 to HD15 adaptor (worth $75), which the other one doesn't.
: I can't exactly email other people with similar gear to sell and agree on
: selling values so there is zero price disparity... 8-)

For starters, the price for gear from Sun is usually a *new* price and unless
that's a new part being resold, the extra 32MB is *not* worth $200.  I think
people should not base prices on what Sun use.  Buying RAM from Sun is like
buying disk from Sun - you pay lots extra for them to sell it to you and is
otherwise no different to what you might get from Kingston (if you *must*
have a brand name on your RAM) or any other OEM.
 
Cisco and other ppl involved in hardware pull the same sort of stunts and
in the end, Sun/Cisco, etc, don't even fab the RAM themselves anyway.

I did miss the D13W3/HD15 adapter though, my apologies.

[...]
: I set my pricing based on what I think is fair compared with the cost to
: import the exact same configuration from the US (taking customs, etc. and
: freight into account - don't forget those), and also taking into account
: similar equipment sold locally (and not just via online media).

okay.  Remember that poster "Bill" who posted a bunch of SS10's/SS20's ?
US$300-US$650 for large gobs of RAM, multi-CPU's, etc.  To use that argument
would put an SS10 w/ 2xSM51, 192MB RAM+, 2GB disk for ~$100 more than the
Classic which was advertised for $895.  That is, US$350 => AUS$550, +26%,
$687 + US$200 shipping (AUS$312) comes to AUS$999.  Something *really*
doesn't add up here.  Either on one hand the Classic for $895 is a rip
off or the SS10 being sold from the USA is being sold at "hot" prices.
Heck, I've seen an SS10 float by here recently that ~$1k which was about
that in terms of config (2 SM51's, 128MB RAM, 2GB disk) and then there was
that SS1000 for ~$1k.  It seems somehow wrong that a Classic should be even
close to the same price as either of those.

Another excellent example of overseas equipment being well priced is ebay.
Checkout this URL:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=227134669
20 x Sun Sparc 5 110mhz w/64MB/1GB/TGX/Type-5 kdb & mouse.
Currently around the US$300 mark, so by the time you do the numbers
(see above), maybe the same price as the $895 LX, except a smaller
disk (but you can add another internal disks to an SS5) but better
frame buffer (no adapter) and much better CPU.

Personally, I tend to not add shipping into the equation as all items
advertised on the Internet tend to be "shipped at buyers expense" and
that this is never advertised (for example, there is a cost with COD
too, which is never mentioned) except for some instances on ebay.

:>This isn't the first time I've seen such disparity in prices here, but it
:>just so happens that the posts were both recent enough for a quick and
:>easy comparison.

: Exactly what sort of comparision are you talking about? 

Being able to pull two ads up, for what appears to be the same item and
making a quick evaluation of A vs B and the price of A vs B.

But perhaps, as another poster suggested, such a comparison isn't as
easily made as it appears.

Darren