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On 2011-01-18 16:38, LuR wrote:
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>

Typical Abbott rubbish.

>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see
> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't
> be cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood
> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> future floods in known affected areas.

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"LuR" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see 
> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be 
> cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area 
> that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood 
> damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future 
> floods in known affected areas.


Anything to get rid of the stupid Rudd/Gillard plan.

$40,000,000,000 plus? Look at Blighs Qld Health payroll system. Supposed to 
cost $50,000,000, blew out to $70,000,000, now they say it's going to cost 
$240,000,000 to fix!

The cost is too great. The government has no right to impose a "one size 
fits all" NBN system on everyone. $40,000,000,000 on a system that can't 
guarantee the speeds they're talking about for everyone - no thanks. 

"LuR" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for...
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see why
> Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be cast
> aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's
> the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too on
> your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
> affected areas.

When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?

The unprincipled opportunist did the same thing with Labor's
insulation scheme.

====

"Mr Abbott said after the 1974 floods in Brisbane the Wivenhoe dam
was 
constructed "and there have been no serious floods in Brisbane
since".

http://tinyurl.com/5wt8rgb

Check this out Tony, you bloody galah...

http://tinyurl.com/4vhuouo

What an ocean-going fuckwit.  ROTFLMAO

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:08:16 +1100, "LuR" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
>Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see why 
>Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be cast 
>aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's 
>the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too on 
>your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known 
>affected areas. 


Hey Loser Lu, how are those shit box Prius cars of yours going?

Bawahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
-- 

"One thing is sure - there will be no Gillard era. This is not a
20-year stretch. Civilised people's hands are already over their faces
every time she speaks. That cannot last. She has no power, no
influence, no friends, no learning. There's not much there."

Bob Ellis (ALP speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

"Gillard is part of a Melbourne-based gang Ellis dubs the "Mouse Pack",
which includes Simon Crean and Martin Ferguson.

"They twitch their whiskers and come out in favour of the Afghan war
without studying the problem or noting that an army intelligence
officer [independent MP Andrew Wilkie] holds the balance of power,"
Ellis says."

More Bob Ellis (ALP Speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

> When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?

When ALP policies stop killing people!

Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> When ALP policies stop killing people!

Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.

====

During the 13 years of the Hawke/Keating government there were 1,925
boat people arrivals.

During the 12 years of the Howard government there were 13,663 boat
people arrivals.

A massive 700% increase!

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

It's unfathomable how the conservatives have managed to dupe
Australians into thinking that they are better at "border
protection".

Their lies and slavish media support notwithstanding.

Makes one wonder at how Coalition supporters 
can reconcile those
damning figures.

Short memories and just plain stupid I guess.

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"LuR" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for...
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see 
> why
> Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be 
> cast
> aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's
> the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too 
> on
> your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
> affected areas.

When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?

The unprincipled opportunist did the same thing with Labor's
insulation scheme.

====

No criticism of Bob, the greentard, Brown for doing the same thing?

Of course not, you're a communist wog hypocrite, aren't you?

At least you're assisting in killing of the fabrication that Greens have 
some interest in the environment.

-- 
"God is not on the side of the big battalions, but of those who shoot the 
best". Voltaire..

LuR wrote:
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see
> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't
> be cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood
> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> future floods in known affected areas.

Everytime I see NBN I think it is about the Television station in Newcastle

On Jan 18, 9:28 pm, bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> > When ALP policies stop killing people!
>
> Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.

Rudd and Gillard have killed a couple of hundred now.
They have killed more  people than Australian servicemen killed in
Vietnam and Iraq.
So you may find that they have beaten those to conflicts.

Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> > > When ALP policies stop killing people!
>
> > Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.
>
> Rudd and Gillard have killed a couple of hundred now.

cite

If you can't, we'll mark you down as a lying old git.

> They have killed more people than Australian servicemen killed in
> Vietnam and Iraq.

503 killed in Vietnam alone.

Even allowing for your "couple of hundred" I think you'll find that
503 is greater than 200.

I'm sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with, of course you won't.

> So you may find that they have beaten those to conflicts.

?  Have you been at the meths again?

=====

During the 13 years of the Hawke/Keating government there were 1,925
boat people arrivals.

During the 12 years of the Howard government there were 13,663 boat
people arrivals.

A massive 700% increase!

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

It's unfathomable how the conservatives have managed to dupe
Australians into thinking that they are better at "border
protection".

Their lies and slavish media support notwithstanding.

Makes one wonder at how Coalition supporters 
can reconcile those
damning figures.

Short memories and just plain stupid I guess.

On 18/01/2011 5:08 PM, LuR wrote:
> If you want to live in a flood
> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> future floods in known affected areas.

That's going a bit far. But people who choose to live in flood prone 
areas and not insure should be required to sign a statutory declaration 
to the effect that they won't winge about it if there's a flood, nor 
ask for, nor even accept, any financial assistance.

But the government (state and local councils) have a lot to answer for. 
Are we so short of land in Australia that we need to resort to building 
in low lying areas?

Sylvia.

On 18/01/2011 5:08 PM, LuR wrote:
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see
> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't
> be cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood
> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> future floods in known affected areas.

And where do Labor get their plans from, the back of cereal boxes.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:31:58 -0800 (PST), bringyagrogalong
<sofala@aapt.net.au> wrote:

>>
>> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see why
>> Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be cast
>> aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's
>> the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too on
>> your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
>> affected areas.
>
>When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
>The unprincipled opportunist did the same thing with Labor's
>insulation scheme.

How is he using the dead, you wog cretin?

He is making a quite valid statement.
-- 

"One thing is sure - there will be no Gillard era. This is not a
20-year stretch. Civilised people's hands are already over their faces
every time she speaks. That cannot last. She has no power, no
influence, no friends, no learning. There's not much there."

Bob Ellis (ALP speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

"Gillard is part of a Melbourne-based gang Ellis dubs the "Mouse Pack",
which includes Simon Crean and Martin Ferguson.

"They twitch their whiskers and come out in favour of the Afghan war
without studying the problem or noting that an army intelligence
officer [independent MP Andrew Wilkie] holds the balance of power,"
Ellis says."

More Bob Ellis (ALP Speech writer) on Dullard! http://tinyurl.com/23jklvv

Exactly and the scum bag Abbott is using these horrible floods to advance 
his political agenda. He and supporters make me sick.

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Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see why
Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be cast
aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's
the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too on
your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
affected areas. 

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"LuR" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see 
> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be 
> cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area 
> that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood 
> damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future 
> floods in known affected areas.


>Anything to get rid of the stupid Rudd/Gillard plan.

The only stupid one's are you dinosaurs who want us to have the slowest 
internet in the world and go back to dail up.

On 19/01/2011 5:13 AM, Seon Ferguson wrote:
> Exactly and the scum bag gillard and blight  is using these horrible floods to
> advance thier political agenda. She and supporters make me sick.
>

>
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>
>
> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see
> why
> Australia has to pay for their suffering totally.
  There is no suggestion that Au would , although the feds will 
contribute the responsibility for the ballsup up sits squarely on 
blights narrow sloping shoulders
  The NBN shouldn't be cast
> aside by luddites like Abbott.
  True , it should be modified and reduced in scope to something we can 
afford with due information sharing and all materials divulged

  If you want to live in a flood area that's
> the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages
> too on
> your insurance.


  But the insurance companies lied just like the pollies that assured 
people "it wont happen again"


  Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
> affected areas.
  meh


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On Jan 18, 10:58 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/01/2011 5:08 PM, LuR wrote:
>
> > If you want to live in a flood
> > area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> > flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> > future floods in known affected areas.
>
> That's going a bit far. But people who choose to live in flood prone
> areas and not insure should be required to sign a statutory declaration
> to the effect that they won't winge about it if there's a flood, nor
> ask for, nor even accept, any financial assistance.
>
> But the government (state and local councils) have a lot to answer for.
> Are we so short of land in Australia that we need to resort to building
> in low lying areas?
>
> Sylvia.

Australia as a continent is a low lying area. There are often not a
lot of choices.

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> "bringyagrogalong" <sofala@aapt.net.au> wrote in message 
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> "LuR" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for...
>>
>> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see 
>> why
>> Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't be 
>> cast
>> aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood area that's
>> the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood damages too 
>> on
>> your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future floods in known
>> affected areas.
>
> When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> The unprincipled opportunist did the same thing with Labor's
> insulation scheme.
>
>

He should use his party victims:

Australian Government (Lieberal Party with PM Menzies) is the only
Government in the world EVER NUKING OWN CITIZENS.

> > We may never find out how many, as not all tests have been publicly
> > acknowledged. 21 are on the Government website:
>
> >http://www.naa.gov.au/about-us/publications/fact-sheets/fs129.aspx
>
> >http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsRepor...
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_tests#United_Kingdom
>
> > The United Kingdom has conducted 45 tests (21 in Australian territory,
> > including 9 in mainland South Australia at Maralinga and Emu Field, many
> > others in the U.S. as part of joint test series). Tests include:
>
> > a.. Operation Hurricane, October 3, 1952 (first atomic bomb)
> > b.. Operation Totem, 1953
> > c.. Operation Mosaic, 1956
> > d.. Operation Buffalo, 1956
> > e.. Operation Antler, 1957
> > f.. Operation Grapple, 1957-1958 (first hydrogen bomb)
>
> > Atmospheric tests involving nuclear material but conventional 
> > explosions:
>
> > a.. Operation Kittens, 1953-1961 (initiator tests using conventional
> > explosive)
> > b.. Operation Rats, 1956-1960 (conventional explosions to study 
> > dispersal
> > of uranium)
> > c.. Operation Tims, 1955-1963 (conventional explosions for tamper,
> > plutonium compression trials)
> > d.. Operation Vixen, 1959-1963 (effects of accidental fire or explosion 
> > on
> > nuclear weapons)
>
> >http://www.ret.gov.au/resources/radioactive_waste/Documents/ROYAL%20C...
>
> It beggars belief that Australian politicians would allow a foreign
> country to conduct both underground and atmospheric tests of atomic
> bombs on the Australian mainland for over 15 years.

On 19/01/2011 8:34 AM, Brad wrote:
> On Jan 18, 10:58 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid>  wrote:
>> On 18/01/2011 5:08 PM, LuR wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to live in a flood
>>> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
>>> flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
>>> future floods in known affected areas.
>>
>> That's going a bit far. But people who choose to live in flood prone
>> areas and not insure should be required to sign a statutory declaration
>> to the effect that they won't winge about it if there's a flood, nor
>> ask for, nor even accept, any financial assistance.
>>
>> But the government (state and local councils) have a lot to answer for.
>> Are we so short of land in Australia that we need to resort to building
>> in low lying areas?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Australia as a continent is a low lying area. There are often not a
> lot of choices.

Yet there often are. Grafton, whose levee held, is built just a few 
kilometres north of higher groud. Most of Grantham's buildings seem to 
have been placed at the lowest point available, needlessly occupying 
fertile land, when there is higher ground within a kilometre.

The media have focussed on the flooded parts of Ipswich and Brisbane, 
yet most of those towns have remained above water and only the 
insistance on building on what was clearly a river flood plain has lead 
to flooding of buildings.

When some towns were originally established, getting water from the 
river to buildings situated on higher ground would have been a problem, 
but that's no longer true, and some of the flooded areas have been built 
up in relevatively recent times.

Sylvia.

On Jan 18, 10:30 pm, Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 9:28 pm, bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> > > When ALP policies stop killing people!
>
> > Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.
>
> Rudd and Gillard have killed a couple of hundred now.
> They have killed more  people than Australian servicemen killed in
> Vietnam and Iraq.
> So you may find that they have beaten those to conflicts.

 Who, had Abbott killed?

He bruised Pauline Hanson's career, but when one gets into politics,
one can get hurt.

OS

On Jan 18, 10:58 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/01/2011 5:08 PM, LuR wrote:
>
> > If you want to live in a flood
> > area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for
> > flood damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for
> > future floods in known affected areas.
>
> That's going a bit far. But people who choose to live in flood prone
> areas and not insure should be required to sign a statutory declaration
> to the effect that they won't winge about it if there's a flood, nor
> ask for, nor even accept, any financial assistance.
>
> But the government (state and local councils) have a lot to answer for.
> Are we so short of land in Australia that we need to resort to building
> in low lying areas?
>
> Sylvia.

That's usually to cut down on travel time to and from work and
considering our poor public transport and our roads, I can understand.

OS

On Jan 18, 9:42 pm, bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > > Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> > > > When ALP policies stop killing people!
>
> > > Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.
>
> > Rudd and Gillard have killed a couple of hundred now.
>
> cite
>
> If you can't, we'll mark you down as a lying old git.
>
> > They have killed more people than Australian servicemen killed in
> > Vietnam and Iraq.
>
> 503 killed in Vietnam alone.
>
> Even allowing for your "couple of hundred" I think you'll find that
> 503 is greater than 200.
>
> I'm sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with, of course you won't.
>
> > So you may find that they have beaten those to conflicts.
>
> ?  Have you been at the meths again?
>
> =====
>
> During the 13 years of the Hawke/Keating government there were 1,925
> boat people arrivals.
>
> During the 12 years of the Howard government there were 13,663 boat
> people arrivals.
>
> A massive 700% increase!
>
> http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm
>
> It's unfathomable how the conservatives have managed to dupe
> Australians into thinking that they are better at "border
> protection".
>
> Their lies and slavish media support notwithstanding.
>
> Makes one wonder at how Coalition supporters 
can reconcile those
> damning figures.
>
> Short memories and just plain stupid I guess.

So a couple of hundred government sponsored deaths is not an issue for
you?

No wonder you vote Labor.

The party of Molesters, murderers and miscellaneous miscreants.

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> "LuR" <whome@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/scrap-nbn-to-pay-for-floods-abbott-20110118-19uzt.html
>>
>> Although my heart goes out to the victims of the QLD floods, I don't see 
>> why Australia has to pay for their suffering totally. The NBN shouldn't 
>> be cast aside by luddites like Abbott. If you want to live in a flood 
>> area that's the risk YOU take and hopefully you pay the premium for flood 
>> damages too on your insurance. Maybe that should be mandatory for future 
>> floods in known affected areas.
>
>
>>Anything to get rid of the stupid Rudd/Gillard plan.
>
> The only stupid one's are you dinosaurs who want us to have the slowest 
> internet in the world and go back to dail up.

Then we should be spending $400,000,000,000 - nothing but the best.

Fact is, as with anything, there reaches a point when spending more isn't 
worth the benefit.

$40,000,000,000 is a lot of money - it could build 20 hospitals. It could go 
a long way to fixing traffic conjestion in Sydney, Melbourne and especially 
Brisbane.

We keep hearing about (things like) how the NBN will aid medicine with 
remote diagnoses. What's the point if your diagnoses says you must get to 
hospital imediately, but you die in a a traffic jam in the abmbulance 
because the roads are stuffed?

$40,000,000,000 so people can download movies, porn and play games faster - 
no thanks.

I agree that the system needs fixing, but I object to the government shoving 
a $40b one size fits all solution down my throat.

$10b tops, and I'll be on board. 

On Jan 20, 7:41 am, Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 9:42 pm, bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > bringyagrogalong <sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > > > Mosher <mosherkus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > When is Abbott going to stop using the dead to further his agenda?
>
> > > > > When ALP policies stop killing people!
>
> > > > Iraq and Vietnam will take a bit of beating.
>
> > > Rudd and Gillard have killed a couple of hundred now.
>
> > cite
>
> > If you can't, we'll mark you down as a lying old git.
>
> > > They have killed more people than Australian servicemen killed in
> > > Vietnam and Iraq.
>
> > 503 killed in Vietnam alone.
>
> > Even allowing for your "couple of hundred" I think you'll find that
> > 503 is greater than 200.
>
> > I'm sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with, of course you won't.
>
> > > So you may find that they have beaten those to conflicts.
>
> > ?  Have you been at the meths again?
>
> > =====
>
> > During the 13 years of the Hawke/Keating government there were 1,925
> > boat people arrivals.
>
> > During the 12 years of the Howard government there were 13,663 boat
> > people arrivals.
>
> > A massive 700% increase!
>
> >http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm
>
> > It's unfathomable how the conservatives have managed to dupe
> > Australians into thinking that they are better at "border
> > protection".
>
> > Their lies and slavish media support notwithstanding.
>
> > Makes one wonder at how Coalition supporters 
can reconcile those
> > damning figures.
>
> > Short memories and just plain stupid I guess.
>
> So a couple of hundred government sponsored deaths is not an issue for
> you?
>
> No wonder you vote Labor.
>
> The party of Molesters, murderers and miscellaneous miscreants.

Hey BringyaPiss,

You don't disagree that the Rudd Gillard Government kills people like
wars.

Why do you boost for them?

"Mosher" <mosherkustas@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:9e9db70a-eba9-4369-8ba3-> On Jan 18, 9:42 pm, bringyagrogalong 
<sof...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> > During the 13 years of the Hawke/Keating government there were 1,925
> > boat people arrivals.
>
> > During the 12 years of the Howard government there were 13,663 boat
> > people arrivals.
>
> > A massive 700% increase!
>
> >http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm
>
> > It's unfathomable how the conservatives have managed to dupe
> > Australians into thinking that they are better at "border
> > protection".
>
> > Their lies and slavish media support notwithstanding.
>
> > Makes one wonder at how Coalition supporters ?can reconcile those
> > damning figures.
>
> > Short memories and just plain stupid I guess.

Plucking just the figures that suit Serge does not reflect the real 
figures
(Why am I not surprised)
Just a tad down the site (That Serge's rubber room attendant forgot to 
read are :

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/boatarrivals.htm

Year     Boats    people

1976                     111
1977                     868
1978                     746
1979                     304
1980                         0
1981                      30
1982-88                   0
1989           1         26
1990           2       198
1991           6       214
1992           6       216
1993           3         81
1994         18       953
1995           7       237
1996         19       660
1997         11       339
1998         17       200
1999         86      3721
2000         51      2939
2001         43      5516
2002           1            1
2003           1          53
2004           1          15
2005           4          11
2006           6          60
2007           5        148
2008           7        161
2009         61      2849
2010 (to 20 September 2010)
                96       4822

Boat numbers exclude boats returned from whence they came. *Includes five 
deceased at sea 16 April 2009 and 12 deceased at sea 1 November 2009. 
Arrival figures do not include; 2 arrivals in an 'esky' on 17 January 
2009; 4 on Deliverance Island with no boat on 29 April 2009; and 78 on 
board Oceanic Viking intercepted in Indonesian waters in November 2009.

http://www.safecom.org.au/pdfs/2010-boat-arrivals.pdf

Add  for 21 Sep 2010 to 26 Nov 2010
            1404   People
Add for  27 Nov 2010 to 25 Dec 2010
             560   People

Total so far for 3 Years of Federal Labor
             9944  People  (Plus 84 not included in count)
Total  so far    =  10,028

And, still 9 years to go for the Serge 12 year comparison (If Labor lasts 
that long)