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Article #210Is John Howard is getting advice on climate change from people like this? (concise edition)
From: hot frog
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:23
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:23
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This is an edited version of my earlier post on the curious discussion at http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/04/a_new_flavour_of_global_warmin.php Briefly, a Professor of Economics and a Lecturer in Economics wrote an article criticising the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, claiming that "with large data sets, confidence intervals have to be increased, so a 90 per cent confidence level would not then be valid -- the hypothesis is falsified", and that an elementary statistics textbook confirms this. Blogger Tim Lambert said this was false, challenged them to name the book, and noted that "It is worrying that economists at Australia's universities have such a poor understanding of basic statistics." (BTW, IIRC, confidence intervals are when you say things like "I am 95% confident that the average weight of ten-year-olds in this town is between 30 and 40 kg". If you weighed them all you would know the true value (ignoring measurement error), so you could say that you were 100% confident that it was a particular weight (say 36 kg). But if you only weigh a random sample, you can use a formula to calculate the range that the average is likely to be in. Obviously, the larger the sample, the _narrower_ that interval will be, or the _higher_ the confidence you can have that the true value is within the interval. But the economists say above that "with large data sets, confidence intervals have to be increased". Strange.) Anyway, after a bit of ducking and weaving such as saying it was in "a big fat blue paperback with a spine that cracks easily", the economists provided some quotes from textbooks to allegedly back up what they had written, e.g. "For a given significance level the probability of a Type I error is held constant whatever the sample size, and the probability of a Type II error declines as T increases. This situation favors H0 when T is small and favors H1 when T is large. ... the significance level would need to be a decreasing function of sample size". *But the quotes had been _edited_, which made them look as though they might support the statement about falsifying the hypothesis, when in fact they did not.* The true quote for the example above is: "For a given significance level the probability of a Type I error is held constant whatever the sample size, and the probability of a Type II error declines as T increases. This situation favors H0 when T is small and favors H1 when T is large. In contrast, the Bayesian approach treats both errors symmetrically and favors neither hypothesis as T increases. For the sampling theory effect to be achieved within the Bayesian framework, we would need to make the prior odds ration a decreasing function of sample size. Similarly, for the Bayesian effect to be achieved within the sampling theory framework, the significance level would need to be a decreasing function of sample size". Apart from the bit about significance referring to an effect of which all mention had been deleted, note that this quote specifically says that neither type of error _increases_ with larger data sets. It's just that they don't necessarily decrease symmetrically. (BTW, H0 stands for the 'null hypothesis', the claim that you are testing. A Type I error is rejecting H0 when it is really true. A Type II error is not rejecting H0 when it is really false. ) This is not even the worst example of what Lambert calls 'quote doctoring', (just the shortest). In another they didn't even flag the missing text with '...'. And there are other curiosities mentioned in my earlier post, and in the full discussion at the link above. You really have to wonder whether John Howard is getting advice on climate change from people like this.
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