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"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:29:15 GMT, "PhilD" 
> <phild351(removethis)c@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>snipped
>>>
>>> Here are some suggestions. Firstly, call on research bodies to devise
>>> efficient
>>> ways to collect surplus material. (Remember its heat content is
>>> potentially
>>> worth about $500 per tonne retail). Then:
>>>
>>> Turn it into ethanol or gas for use as fuel.
>>> Make brickettes out of it and use it for all kinds of heating.
>>> Use it to heat water, which can be transported into townships and sold.
>>> Burn it cleanly to generate electricity.
>>> Use it for space heating of large buildings.
>>> And note: The litter on a one-hectare block would easily run a steam car
>>> for a
>>> year.
>>>
>>
>>I think that you've been smoking too much forest products already.
>
> Gord, obviously another pyromaniac... ..
>
>>Have you actually thought about how it would have to be physically
>>collected? The only problem you would solve is the world's unemployment
>>problem, and that's just for doing it in Australia.
>
> At $400 per tonne, I think we could easily pay people $40/tonne to collect 
> it.
>

It's not worth $400 per tonne, dickhead. That's a number you plucked from 
your arse.

>>What about the enormous
>>transportation requirements, or do you want very large collection areas &
>>processing plants all over the place in the centre's of your much loved
>>forest's? I guess that you believe that these thousands of great trucks 
>>will
>>be solar powered. Not likely. Even IF you could collect it most would 
>>likely
>>decay and release CO2 before it could be processed anyway.
>
> Listen idiot, compared with say open cut coal mining the technicalities 
> are
> insignificant.

Wrong. Open cut mines allow for a large amount of coal to be removed from a 
SINGLE location.
Forest litter is spread around for hundreds/thousands of kilometers.

> The aim is reduce the damage from hot fire. ...not remove ALL the litter. 
> The
> forests need litter to grow and keep loggers in jobs.

So what do you suggest - An army of fuckwits picking up every SECOND twig on 
the forest floor?
Off you go. Be my guest.

>>Do you realise that any material on the forest floor decays and releases 
>>CO2
>>anyway. Do you know how much material decays in the tropics after our 
>>yearly
>>wet season growth spurts. So please tell us the difference between it
>>decaying and being burnt.
>
> Looking for excuses to BURN are you pyro?

Can't come up with a logical counter-point, eh dickhead?

>
>>Have you thought about all the roads that will have to be cut through all
>>the pristine forests for collecting the material. This will do wonders for
>>your beloved forest's. Erosion, spread of plant disease's, breaking up the
>>habitat's etc.
>
> Roads are already present in all State Forests from past logging idiot.

And how do you propose to get all of that forest litter TO the roads? Giant 
garden vacuums?

>>Between lightning strikes and genuine criminal pyro's much of northern
>>Australia burns anyway.
>
> Well burn the pyros instead of the grasses.
>
>>Controlled early dry season burns are likely to
>>cause less problems that major uncontrolled burns. You/we may not like it
>>but it's a fact of life up this way, every year.
>
> Well let it happen naturally like it should, idiot.

That's what happened over summer in Victoria. What a huge success that was, 
eh fuckwit.

>>If your only rebuttal is to call people "pyro's" then you haven't got much
>>to support your argument.
>
> If you want to see a pyromaniac just look in a mirror.
>

Pathetic.