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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:53:45 +1000, "Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@removeozdebate.com>
wrote:

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>"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message 
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>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:29:15 GMT, "PhilD" 
>> <phild351(removethis)c@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>> Here are some suggestions. Firstly, call on research bodies to devise
>>>> efficient
>>>> ways to collect surplus material. (Remember its heat content is
>>>> potentially
>>>> worth about $500 per tonne retail). Then:
>>>>
>>>> Turn it into ethanol or gas for use as fuel.
>>>> Make brickettes out of it and use it for all kinds of heating.
>>>> Use it to heat water, which can be transported into townships and sold.
>>>> Burn it cleanly to generate electricity.
>>>> Use it for space heating of large buildings.
>>>> And note: The litter on a one-hectare block would easily run a steam car
>>>> for a
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think that you've been smoking too much forest products already.
>>
>> Gord, obviously another pyromaniac... ..
>>
>>>Have you actually thought about how it would have to be physically
>>>collected? The only problem you would solve is the world's unemployment
>>>problem, and that's just for doing it in Australia.
>>
>> At $400 per tonne, I think we could easily pay people $40/tonne to collect 
>> it.
>>
>
>It's not worth $400 per tonne, dickhead. That's a number you plucked from 
>your arse.

Heat of combustion: 5000 kwh per tonne.

If you pay 8 cents for off peak electricity to run through your bar radiator,
it's worth $400 per tonne.
The normal rates are around 14 cents/kwh, making litter worth more like $700
per tonne.

Incidentally, that goes for woodchip too...that we sell to the Japs for about
$30 a tonne.

Clever country, my arse Bob.

>>>What about the enormous
>>>transportation requirements, or do you want very large collection areas &
>>>processing plants all over the place in the centre's of your much loved
>>>forest's? I guess that you believe that these thousands of great trucks 
>>>will
>>>be solar powered. Not likely. Even IF you could collect it most would 
>>>likely
>>>decay and release CO2 before it could be processed anyway.
>>
>> Listen idiot, compared with say open cut coal mining the technicalities 
>> are
>> insignificant.
>
>Wrong. Open cut mines allow for a large amount of coal to be removed from a 
>SINGLE location.
>Forest litter is spread around for hundreds/thousands of kilometers.

Well go out and get some. 
You could run a steam car for a year on ten tonnes of it....

>> The aim is reduce the damage from hot fire. ...not remove ALL the litter. 
>> The
>> forests need litter to grow and keep loggers in jobs.
>
>So what do you suggest - An army of fuckwits picking up every SECOND twig on 
>the forest floor?
>Off you go. Be my guest.

Why not...better than sitting in an office all day or wanking like you do...

>>>Do you realise that any material on the forest floor decays and releases 
>>>CO2
>>>anyway. Do you know how much material decays in the tropics after our 
>>>yearly
>>>wet season growth spurts. So please tell us the difference between it
>>>decaying and being burnt.
>>
>> Looking for excuses to BURN are you pyro?
>
>Can't come up with a logical counter-point, eh dickhead?

Never learn maths, pyro?

>>>Have you thought about all the roads that will have to be cut through all
>>>the pristine forests for collecting the material. This will do wonders for
>>>your beloved forest's. Erosion, spread of plant disease's, breaking up the
>>>habitat's etc.
>>
>> Roads are already present in all State Forests from past logging idiot.
>
>And how do you propose to get all of that forest litter TO the roads? Giant 
>garden vacuums?

YWhy not? What the hell are CSIRO and the Universities for.....nursing homes
for useless academics or simething?

>>>Between lightning strikes and genuine criminal pyro's much of northern
>>>Australia burns anyway.
>>
>> Well burn the pyros instead of the grasses.
>>
>>>Controlled early dry season burns are likely to
>>>cause less problems that major uncontrolled burns. You/we may not like it
>>>but it's a fact of life up this way, every year.
>>
>> Well let it happen naturally like it should, idiot.
>
>That's what happened over summer in Victoria. What a huge success that was, 
>eh fuckwit.

The Victorian fires were made far worse by the idiot firefighters who went
round setting everything on fire as soon as they saw a little smoke. 
The main reason that fire was so bad was that the forest themselves have been
so heavily altered by logging that much of the undergrowth is highly flammable
and fire resistant.  The flammable stuff returns first...
Manmade drought, caused largely by previous forest burning in OZ, Brazil,
Africa and Indonesia has made the forests tinder dry. There are few hollows in
which animals would normaly been able to hide from a fire and the undergrowth
is quite different from that of an old growth forest.

>>>If your only rebuttal is to call people "pyro's" then you haven't got much
>>>to support your argument.
>>
>> If you want to see a pyromaniac just look in a mirror.
>>
>
>Pathetic. 
>