🚀 go-pugleaf

On Feb 15, 6:34 am, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> DM wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 12:09 pm, jg <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> atom wrote:
> >>> DM <d-m...@adfa.edu.au> writes:
> >>>>> Mr Hunt says it should not be left to the insulation industry to
> >>>>> produce the proof.
> >>>> Why not? Even here in aus.politics, if you make an accusation, you are
> >>>> expected to provide proof.
> >>>> Making stuff up only gets you laughed at.
> >>> Garrett's position seems to be "I'm sceptical that this material has
> >>> actually been imported or used. But, if it has, I'm prepared to
> >>> act to prevent it happening, so give me an actual example so I
> >>> can see how it happened". TYou can hardly blame him; the insulation
> >>> program seems to have some major dodginess in its implementaton, and
> >>> those slinging mud obviously have a vested interest in doing so.
> >>> In fact, even if the claim proves to be true, and non-conforming
> >>> insulation was imported from China, how can that be Garrett's fault?
> >>> Surely it's a Customs matter that material was illegally imported.
> >>> And the four guys who were killed were not killed by dodgy insulation;
> >>> they were killed because of unsafe work practices. How is that
> >>> Garrett's fault? All he did was part-pay for the insulation to be
> >>> installed.
> >>> Atom Egoyan
> >>> Melbourne Australia
> >> Insulation has always had that reputation. Making it free was probably
> >> the govt's only real mistake, you always could get crappy material
> >> installed by cowboys.
>
> >> I am unconvinced that insulation does much good, environmentally. People
> >> will still use heaters and coolers, once they are on any differences in
> >> energy use because of insulation is marginal at best.
>
> > I reduced my energy bill be over 50% by installing insulation.
> > It paid for itself in under 5 years.
>
> > DM
>
> Here are a few pie charts -
>
> http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=home+energy+cons...
>
> They typically put heating + cooling between 35 and 50% of energy use.
> To achieve 50% reduction you would have to either throw away all heating
> and cooling or use much more heating and/or cooling than average.
>
> Central heating is a big number in cold climates, but that's not most of
> Australia.

It gets down to -10C regularly in winter where I live, and is above
38C regularly in the summer.

DM