🚀 go-pugleaf

 Let me address your points. 

 1. I'm using my own history for the argument. You're correct. American 
pioneers were never under pressure to supply foreign markets with 
anything. The point of independence was liberation from Europe, not 
slaving to satisfy European markets. I agree with you that the same can 
not be said of Latin America today. Damn!

2. Educating people is never a misguided effort. However I think you need 
to consider the source of the education. People who think they know what's 
good for you are not to be trusted. People who present their position and 
allow you to make up your own mind are truly trying to educate you. 


3. You still haven't answered the question. I maintain that people who 
say they would never kill animals for food, clothing, etc. are hypocrites. 
 They just live in a civilization where they don't have to. Australians 
and Americans don't live in a world with so little "resources" that they 
can't eat meat.  So what's your answer?


4. I don't understand what you mean when you say "people who choose the 
wrong parents".  In America we have a Federal loan program (well,since 
Clinton took office). American students can (no bullshit) pay for a four 
year degree on the government dole until they start working. As long as 
they are smart enough to complete a college education, they have a chance 
to achieve one. You can sign up for this by having a Social Security 
Number. I've done it myself. Your parents have nothing to do with it. I 
realize its different in Australia, but I don't understand. If you could 
tell me why your parents matter in your professional advancement, I'd 
appreciate it. I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't get it. 


5. All the ad campaigns in the  world can't sell people something they 
don't want. The power of advertising only goes so far. Talk of 
"countering" McDonalds evil ads is a joke. Why do you think the franchise 
has started selling salads, "low-fat" "entrees" etc. They're responding to 
public opinion. Hmmmm. Maybe its because of these "opposing points of 
view".  

  Nice fencing with you. 

  Regards,
  
  Pat