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3 total messages Started by Hunter Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:39
when talking about the weather
#131
Author: Hunter
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:39
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Dear fellows

everyone should read the following article
 But here on the front lines of 
the battle over fracking, which has become an increasingly popular technique 
to extract previously unobtainable reserves of oil and gas, no conclusion is 
yet definitive.
 After an outcry from Wyoming�s governor, Matt Mead, and the
 energy industry that the federal report was premature and inconclusive, more
 testing was conducted by the United States Geological Survey and is being 
processed. The E.P.A. is also in the midst of collecting additional water 
samples for study.
 �Until there is a peer-reviewed study and a good 
scientific basis that indicates that the issues related to water are related 
to our operations, that is not something we are ready to address,� said Doug 
Hock, an Encana spokesman.
 �I�d like to have the industry held accountable 
for once,� said Jeff Locker, a hay and barley farmer who said that his well 
water had gone bad around the mid-�90s and that the contaminants had 
contributed to his wife�s neuropathy. �We�ve got scientific proof. And 
they�re still turning their back on us. They expect us to pay between $100 
and $200 for something we didn�t cause. It gets under my skin.�
 For the 
last few years, a small group of farmers and landowners scattered across this
 rural Wyoming basin have complained that their water wells have been 
contaminated with chemicals from a controversial drilling technique known as 
hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
 Encana has maintained that water in the 
area is naturally poor and that its operations did not cause the problems � 
fracking had also occurred before the company purchased the gas field. 
Moreover, the energy industry has steadfastly pointed out that there has 
never been any conclusive link between fracking and water contamination.
 
After an outcry from Wyoming�s governor, Matt Mead, and the energy industry 
that the federal report was premature and inconclusive, more testing was 
conducted by the United States Geological Survey and is being processed. The 
E.P.A. is also in the midst of collecting additional water samples for study.

 A draft report by the Environmental Protection Agency, issued in December,
 appeared to confirm their concerns, linking chemicals in local groundwater 
to gas drilling.
 For the last few years, a small group of farmers and 
landowners scattered across this rural Wyoming basin have complained that 
their water wells have been contaminated with chemicals from a controversial 
drilling technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
 Encana has 
maintained that water in the area is naturally poor and that its operations 
did not cause the problems � fracking had also occurred before the company 
purchased the gas field. Moreover, the energy industry has steadfastly 
pointed out that there has never been any conclusive link between fracking 
and water contamination.
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Therefore this article may be used
 But here on the front lines of the battle over 
fracking, which has become an increasingly popular technique to extract 
previously unobtainable reserves of oil and gas, no conclusion is yet 
definitive.
 In the meantime, the state has offered to provide cisterns for 
local residents, using $750,000 allocated by the Wyoming Legislature this 
year. Under the plan, people here would still have to pay a fee to have their
 water hauled from the nearby community of Pavillion, at a cost that could 
run more than $150 per month.
 �Until there is a peer-reviewed study and a 
good scientific basis that indicates that the issues related to water are 
related to our operations, that is not something we are ready to address,� 
said Doug Hock, an Encana spokesman.
 After an outcry from Wyoming�s 
governor, Matt Mead, and the energy industry that the federal report was 
premature and inconclusive, more testing was conducted by the United States 
Geological Survey and is being processed. The E.P.A. is also in the midst of 
collecting additional water samples for study.
 But here on the front lines 
of the battle over fracking, which has become an increasingly popular 
technique to extract previously unobtainable reserves of oil and gas, no 
conclusion is yet definitive.
 But some locals say the draft report�s 
analysis of water samples, which identified synthetic chemicals consistent 
with natural gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing fluids, is proof of what 
they suspected for years.
 In the meantime, the state has offered to provide
 cisterns for local residents, using $750,000 allocated by the Wyoming 
Legislature this year. Under the plan, people here would still have to pay a 
fee to have their water hauled from the nearby community of Pavillion, at a 
cost that could run more than $150 per month.
 A draft report by the 
Environmental Protection Agency, issued in December, appeared to confirm 
their concerns, linking chemicals in local groundwater to gas drilling.
 
Encana has maintained that water in the area is naturally poor and that its 
operations did not cause the problems � fracking had also occurred before the
 company purchased the gas field. Moreover, the energy industry has 
steadfastly pointed out that there has never been any conclusive link between
 fracking and water contamination.
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how did you achieve the water monitoring and the connection with the weather supervision?

When studying the water , this site seems appropriate http://www.swrcb.ca.gov
Best regards
Re: when talking about the weather
#139
Author: SG1
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:01
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Peer reveiwing is like they guy who wrote it critiques it. How many 
"scientists" buck the system? They all need grants and jobs!!!!
Re: when talking about the weather
#140
Author: David Hare-Scott
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:39
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SG1 wrote:
> Peer reveiwing is like they guy who wrote it critiques it. How many
> "scientists" buck the system? They all need grants and jobs!!!!

For the purpose of general education I will assume that you are serious and 
not trolling.

The above statements show little idea of the scientific method or 
understanding of the motives of scientists.

The peer review process specifically excludes the author and his/her 
associates and is conducted anonymously.

Assuming a global conspiracy of scientists to lie in order to keep funding 
is a favourite tactic of deniers.  A moment of thought would show how 
impossible it is.

First, there is no evidence for it and it assumes that tens of thousands of 
people who have little social cohesion (and who are often in competition) 
could and would keep the secret.  Second, the most famous scientists are 
those who bucked the system.  The scientist who could overthrow some 
important commonly accepted view (anthropogenic climate change, evolution as 
the explanation of life as we see it, the health consequences of smoking 
tobacco, etc) with evidence would be immortalised as a modern Einstein. 
Every young scientist dreams that he/she will be the one who brings on the 
next paradigm shift.

There are fabulous rewards waiting for the supposed scientific conspirator 
who is the first to breaks ranks - but it doesn't happen.  On the other hand 
there are also rewards outside the scientific community for the shills of 
vested interest to lie and to conduct disinformation campaigns in the 
general media, but crucially NOT in the peer reviewed journals, and many 
step forward to take the money and notoriety.

Scientists are merely human and have human weaknesses.  They do make errors, 
they do deceive themselves and sometimes they commit fraud.  The point is 
that the methodology is there to catch and to expose those errors.  In the 
long run it works and works to explain the way the universe operates much 
better than saying 'I don't like the consequences of this idea therefore it 
must be wrong and scientists who say so are liars'.


David 
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