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Started by Loosecanon
Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:21
Composting
Author: Loosecanon
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:21
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:21
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Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting or looked at natural farming using biochar and home made innoculents? I am not flogging it just seen some videos on youtube. Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. Won't need the buckets described as I have a thought on achieving the same results without spending the money. Recipes are on the net so no need to purchase. Bokashi is just a way of making compost. Basically you cover in lacto bacteria then ferment for 9 days then bury. Six weeks later rich soil. Vegetable and meat scraps can be used without the bad odour. Is also info relating to how bokashi is a probiotic and good for livestock. So worth a look.
Re: Composting
Author: Dick Adams
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 06:21
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 06:21
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Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... > Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash than me wife lets me spend.
Re: Composting
Author: Loosecanon
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:00
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:00
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"Dick Adams" <rdadams@panix.com> wrote in message news:jee115$gp9$3@reader1.panix.com... > Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... > >> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... > > What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? > > The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash > than me wife lets me spend. Rice, water, jars, paper towel, rubber band, strainer, milk, molasses/brown sugar, a new wife who doesn't control the purse strings, newspaper or bran, some plastic buckets with airtight lids and patience.
Re: Composting
Author: Dick Adams
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:55
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:55
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Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > "Dick Adams" <rdadams@panix.com> wrote: >> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... >>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... >> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >> >> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >> than me wife lets me spend. > Rice, water, jars, paper towel, rubber band, strainer, milk, > molasses/brown sugar, a new wife who doesn't control the > purse strings, newspaper or bran, some plastic buckets with > airtight lids and patience. The hardest ingredient to find is a wife who doesn't control the purse strings. I'll not marry again - training wifes is too difficult. Inspite of reading a lot of material on Bokashi, It's still not clear to me how to make the stuff. I found someone selling Bokashi Bran. But they say you have to ferment it yourself before putting it into the compost. Do you really need a special type of bran? Dick
Re: Composting
Author: terryc
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:33
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:33
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Dick Adams wrote: > Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... > >> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... > > What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? > > The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash > than me wife lets me spend. Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born every minute.
Re: Composting
Author: Loosecanon
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:24
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:24
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"terryc" <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:jejafh$leg$1@dont-email.me... > Dick Adams wrote: >> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... >> >>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... >> >> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >> >> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >> than me wife lets me spend. > > Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy > ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born > every minute. Be nice haha
Re: Composting
Author: Loosecanon
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:50
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:50
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> > The hardest ingredient to find is a wife who doesn't control > the purse strings. I'll not marry again - training wifes is > too difficult. > > Inspite of reading a lot of material on Bokashi, It's still > not clear to me how to make the stuff. I found someone selling > Bokashi Bran. But they say you have to ferment it yourself > before putting it into the compost. Do you really need a > special type of bran? > > Dick Bran can be anything wheat, rice, barley, oats you can also use untreated sawdust (not treated with CCA) or newspaper. The lactobacillus culture is not hard to do. I have just made a batch with newspaper but it is fermenting at the moment and they say it needs 12 days after which you need to dry it out before using in the buckets. Here is a link I found while searching the web you might find it helps you http://newspaperbokashi.wordpress.com/category/newspaper-bokashi/ and it a cheap way of doing things. This is classed as a homegrade bokashi and from what I can see from other sites is lacking some beneficial microbes. I am still learning myself. You may see someone say you are a troll in the group as it is an Australian Newsgroup not Austin Texas as you may think. Glad you asked anyway. Seems this information is closely guarded by those that make it as it is a source of income to them but that depends where you are. Imagine that you can buy a bokashi bucket from councils in New Zealand for $20 with bokashi bran included yet in Australia you pay around $100. The result of this is people in Australia ignore the extorsion and it doesn't get off the ground as it should. The Australian supplier has books but wants close to $50 each yet the American supplier charges $25 each for the same books. Yet the American supplier won't send here due to the Australian supplier having exclusive rights here. The world is truly mad but I guess the Australian supplier prefers to make more but sell less which is up to them.
Re: Composting
Author: Loosecanon
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:41
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:41
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>> >> Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy >> ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born >> every minute. > Oh you should know that bokashi composting involves no heat, does not need to be turned and is not concerned with carbon/nitrogen ratios. It is actually fermenting foodscraps which can include paper, fruit, vegetables and meat scraps. You do need to buy some things to grow the microbes that will ferment things. Now I have done hot composts and cold composts. Hot composts require turning the pile which myself I prefer not to do and getting the C/N ratio right is a science. I would need to buy straw or pea hay to use as my carbon and it is not cheap these days here. The cold compost takes a long time to fill the bin and you end up with manky stuff as it rots down and undesirables like cockroaches like to set up shop. I haven't tried worm farms. The bokashi method you ferment and bury your scraps and 6 weeks later you have a rich organic black soil full of worms and not red wrigglers either. You can also add it to a worm farm. I can't confirm it works myself I am in the process of making what I need to find out. My newspaper (microbe infused) will be ready for drying in just over a week and the sawdust equivalent will be ready a week after. Then the fun begins.
Re: Composting
Author: terryc
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:33
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:33
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Loosecanon wrote: > Yet the American supplier won't send here due to > the Australian supplier having exclusive rights here. Probably paid for them. There are plenty of forward shippers used by people to overome similar problems.
Re: Composting
Author: Dick Adams
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:24
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:24
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terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote: > Dick Adams wrote: >> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... >>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... >> >> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >> >> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >> than me wife lets me spend. > Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy > ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born > every minute. Who crossposted?
Re: Composting
Author: Dick Adams
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:35
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:35
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Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Dick Adams <rdadams@panix.com> wrote: >> The hardest ingredient to find is a wife who doesn't control >> the purse strings. I'll not marry again - training wifes is >> too difficult. >> >> In spite of reading a lot of material on Bokashi, It's still >> not clear to me how to make the stuff. I found someone selling >> Bokashi Bran. But they say you have to ferment it yourself >> before putting it into the compost. Do you really need a >> special type of bran? > Bran can be anything wheat, rice, barley, oats you can also use > untreated sawdust (not treated with CCA) or newspaper. The > lactobacillus culture is not hard to do. I have just made a batch with > newspaper but it is fermenting at the moment and they say it needs > 12 days after which you need to dry it out before using in the buckets. > Here is a link I found while searching the web you might find it helps > you http://newspaperbokashi.wordpress.com/category/newspaper-bokashi > and it a cheap way of doing things. This is classed as a homegrade > bokashi and from what I can see from other sites is lacking some > beneficial microbes. I am still learning myself. That link provided an exceptionally clear explanation and I thank you. > You may see someone say you are a troll in the group as it is an > Australian Newsgroup not Austin Texas as you may think. I knew it was an Australian newsgroup. The comment didn't bother me as I wasn't trolling. The Internet is here to make information global and I'm always searching for new sources of information as well as new ways of looking at information. > Glad you asked anyway. Seems this information is closely guarded by those > that make it as it is a source of income to them but that depends where you > are. Imagine that you can buy a bokashi bucket from councils in New Zealand > for $20 with bokashi bran included yet in Australia you pay around $100. > The result of this is people in Australia ignore the extortion and it > doesn't get off the ground as it should. The Australian supplier has books > but wants close to $50 each yet the American supplier charges $25 each for > the same books. Yet the American supplier won't send here due to the > Australian supplier having exclusive rights here. The world is truly mad > but I guess the Australian supplier prefers to make more but sell less > which is up to them. It's a shame. But nobody said life would be fair. Dick
Re: Composting
Author: Je�us
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:51
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:51
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:24:07 +0000 (UTC), rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: >terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote: >> Dick Adams wrote: >>> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >>>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... > >>>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... >>> >>> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >>> >>> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >>> than me wife lets me spend. > >> Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy >> ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born >> every minute. > >Who crossposted? I was wondering that same thing. Terry gets excited sometimes :) For a minute I thought my local MP was posting on Usenet (!) http://www.dickadams.com.au/ -- http://losenotloose.com/
Re: Composting
Author: Dick Adams
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:57
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:57
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Je?us <none@all.invalid> wrote: > rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: >> terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote: >>> Dick Adams wrote: >>>> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>>>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... >>>>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... >>>> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >>>> >>>> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >>>> than me wife lets me spend. >>> Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy >>> ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born >>> every minute. >> Who crossposted? > I was wondering that same thing. Terry gets excited sometimes :) > For a minute I thought my local MP was posting on Usenet (!) > http://www.dickadams.com.au/ I sent him a calendar card this year. If you see him, tell him I said hello. Dick
Re: Composting
Author: Je�us
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:51
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:51
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:57:00 +0000 (UTC), rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: >Je?us <none@all.invalid> wrote: >> rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams) wrote: >>> terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote: >>>> Dick Adams wrote: >>>>> Loosecanon <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >>>>>> Has anyone here tried Bokashi composting ... > >>>>>> Will give Bokashi a go myself as I have access to materials. ... > >>>>> What materials do you have? What do you think I meed? >>>>> >>>>> The recipes I found on the net require spendin more cash >>>>> than me wife lets me spend. > >>>> Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy >>>> ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born >>>> every minute. > >>> Who crossposted? > >> I was wondering that same thing. Terry gets excited sometimes :) >> For a minute I thought my local MP was posting on Usenet (!) >> http://www.dickadams.com.au/ > >I sent him a calendar card this year. If you see him, tell him >I said hello. Shall do.
Re: Composting
Author: Bloke Down The Pub
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:47
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:47
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"Loosecanon" <loosecanon@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:kdmdnTfJSqLU1pDSnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@westnet.com.au... > >>> >>> Hahahahaha The idea of composting you cross posting troll is to not buy >>> ingredients but use what you can scrounge. OTOH, there is a sucker born >>> every minute. >> > > Oh you should know that bokashi composting involves no heat, does not need > to be turned and is not concerned with carbon/nitrogen ratios. It is > actually fermenting foodscraps which can include paper, fruit, vegetables > and meat scraps. You do need to buy some things to grow the microbes that > will ferment things. > > Now I have done hot composts and cold composts. Hot composts require > turning the pile which myself I prefer not to do and getting the C/N ratio > right is a science. I would need to buy straw or pea hay to use as my > carbon and it is not cheap these days here. The cold compost takes a long > time to fill the bin and you end up with manky stuff as it rots down and > undesirables like cockroaches like to set up shop. I haven't tried worm > farms. > > The bokashi method you ferment and bury your scraps and 6 weeks later you > have a rich organic black soil full of worms and not red wrigglers either. > You can also add it to a worm farm. I can't confirm it works myself I am > in the process of making what I need to find out. > > My newspaper (microbe infused) will be ready for drying in just over a > week and the sawdust equivalent will be ready a week after. Then the fun > begins. > How has the composting turned out? Is it an on going thing over winter? I ask because I now find I have time to try a thing or two in the garden and soil improvement in the West is a must.. Mike
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