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"The Raven" <wsmc@flashmail.com> said

> "Kwyjibo." <sdrawkcabtlepsgod@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Xns939BE2E02903D2468@130.133.1.4...
>> "The Raven" <wsmc@flashmail.com> said
>>
>> > "Kwyjibo." <sdrawkcabtlepsgod@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns939BB3FFD5B512468@130.133.1.4...
>> >> mathewm <me@privacy.net> said
>> >>
>> >> > On 14 Jun 2003 17:56:07 +0800, Paul Day wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In aus.net.access mathewm <me@privacy.net> probably wrote:
>> >> >>> They couldn't, because you can't sell address blocks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been done in the past in .au by liquidators.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> PD
>> >> >
>> >> > They flogged something the company didn't own? They did well.
>> >>
>> >> I'm using Windows XP here. I don't own the software but only own a
>> >> licence to use the software. I am able to sell that licence to a
>> >> third party. Same thing.
>> >
>> > Nope, not the same thing at all.
>> >
>>
>> Bullshit.
> 
> Read your MS license and then go visit apnic. Now show the similarity
> to licenses/allocation of IPs ranges.
> 
>>
>> > If the license is for an OEM XP you can't sell it unless you
>> > include the the computer it was installed upon.
>>
>> Where did I say it was an OEM copy?
> 
> You didn't so I commented on both OEM and full licenses.
> 
>>
>> > It's non-transferrable except
>> > as a license on a specific piece of hardware.
>> >
>>
>> So it's still transferable.
> 
> Only with the hardware. Where did you say with hardware? Now show the
> similarity to IPs ranges.
> 
>> In other words you were spewing shit in a
>> pathetic attempt to prove me wrong,
> 
> You claimed I was wrong about selling IP, despite the fact that others
> had already confirmed my original answer. In addition, a quick look at
> apnic would show you we were right.
> 
> You claimed that it's the same as selling XP. I pointed out the MS
> license agreement has specific clauses about selling/transferring the
> license, which you obviously haven't read, and that it had nothing in
> common with selling IP ranges.
> 
>> when all you have managed to do is
>> confirm what I said in the first place. You *can* sell the licence.
> 
> You can sell you XP under certain circumstances but you can't sell
> IPs. 
> 
> http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/apnic_faq/obtaining.html#4
> 
> Can I buy IP addresses?
> No. IP addresses are a shared public resource and are not for sale, as
> effective management of this resource is vital to the ongoing health
> of the Internet. However, if you obtain IP addresses from APNIC, you
> will have the right to continue using those addresses provided that
> you use them in accordance with APNIC allocation and assignment
> policies and provided that your membership remains current (or, in the
> case of non-members, that you continue to pay the required maintenance
> fees). 
> 

How about http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html#9.9
"Subject to the more specific provisions of Section 12, APNIC does not 
recognise the sale or *unauthorised transfer* of address space and will 
consider all such transfers to be invalid. APNIC will require 
organisations holding such transfers to return them to the appropriate 
IR."

Notice the word "unauthorised" in there. That would seem to indicate that 
it's possible to obtain authroisation to transfer ownership of ranges.


>> > Only if it is a full retail pack can you sell it.  This license is
>> > transferrable onto other equipment and/or sold to another party.
>> >
>> > It's all detailed in your license agreement.
>> >
>>
>> No shit, Einstein.
> 
> Then feel free to point out the similarities between your XP license
> and apnic's policies, which is what you claimed.
> 

You just did it yourself.
"Can I buy IP addresses?
 No"

Substitute "Windows XP" for "IP addresses" and the answer is still the 
same.


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Kwyj.