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Philip@wwright.demon.co.uk (Philip Wainwright) writes:

[we wont repeat it all again]

>Rosie, I could say, that your opinions are wrong, and that you ramble on a bit.
>First point criticizing your opinion, and second criticizing you. 

Criticising her for her 'rambling' not for her challenging the blind 
support of sexist (as she and others see them) memes. 

I think this kind of criticism is fine but I think she was trying to 
make a point about the unequal opportunities of men vs women when 
it comes to challenging the underlying assumptions of the 
*patriarchal* structures. You don't even have to believe that these
structures exist but you must accept that the idea may be raised 
and this action will nullify normal reference to these assumptions.

>This is only my opinion, of which, could be a pile of aforesaid rotting garbage,
>but at least I have made my opinion known, in a constructive manner, using
>polite language.

>To further qualify (and complete the construction), I could politely recommend
>that you take some time in proof reading, and suggest suitable literature/
>programmes to aide you. 

You are missing the point about structural patriarchal control and how
women are not given ground to challenge it without being branded as a
raving nutcase. No sexist language (such as has been wiped off the 
surface of the patriarchal structures) need be used.

>But 'Dwayne', 'crossed' the line, in two distinct ways :

>1. Using, frankly bad, degrading language when he could have so easily,
>put his point across in a more polite, and constructive manner. 

>2. Criticizing you, yourself, personally (in a very personal manner).

>Ah, hark the hypocrite ! Yes I have criticized you also, and have no excuse for
>this really.(especially since my grammar and spelling is diabolical).  

There is a very important near-miss here:

You have listed a personal criticism as a [bad thing]. This is probably
true, and it certainly is such withing the values of rational 
debate (which we may or may not be into) but there is also a personal 
perspectival blindness which goes into personal opinions. Rosie's 
personal opinion is feminine and I think she believes this makes
a difference. Much of the time men assume that it does not. THis is 
structural phallocentricity because it is a blindness. Avoiding 
bigoted memes requires a recognition just beyond the 'person'al 
which you have intimated, because in this case the 'person' is 
just a renamed 'Man'. This is how political correctness gets it's
boringness. If you are just going to call a 'man's world' a person's
world all the while without an overhaul, it will still remain a man's
world. 

But the tragedy will be the loss of the recognition that women is other.
Woman should *not* be other, but let's face facts, it still is a man's 
world and this needs to change. It should be recognised that renaming
every 'man' with 'person' can actually fool us into thinking we have
female representation. What we get is really sex-blindness. 

WOmen are *different* in more ways than many men know, that loss is 
what I'm trying to get at. Women really are not 'impossible to 
understand' they just need to be given the T-space (Theoretical
space) to construct feminine memes which, if we are open to them,
will choose to inhabit us, to our enrichment. And with real benefits
in meat-level human interaction as well as cyberspatial 
co-existence. 

I don't know Rosie. I hope I haven't misrepresented her. I hope I have
left her free to explicate her femininity online without being flamed
(however mildly) on all sides for challenging the status quo which 
contains some so wholly that they think their small space is the 
universe.

>However, the real entity on trial here is attitude, language, 
>and Dwayne, who has truly lost on both accounts.

>Dwayne if you're reading this, you know what, It's really easy to use
>'good' language, but of course you don't know. So, stay in your dark hovel,
>and don't darken the net, until you adult enough to use language properly.

hmmmmmm Ive said enough. 

>Philip Wainwright.




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