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Christopher Mountford (cjmount@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU) wrote:

: A common complaint amongst women on the net is that men have 
: patriarchal structures which disadvantage women in the form of
: underlying social attitudes. I think you are yet to grasp the
: extent to which this a) exists b) is what we are actually 
: discussing, as opposed to straight *abuse* and c) affects 
: women tragically.

What we are discussing is someone who only sees things in terms of her
gender. Not gender, but *her* gender.  Apologists for disgusting
behaviour are pathetic.  Go back to reading David Irving.

: Who are you to tell someone who is trying to challenge structures which
: favour your patricarchal meme-set, your male-thinking agenda, the very
: foundations on which you judge the meaning and effect of 'some message'
: that they take it the 'wrong way'.

She wasn't "challenging structures which favour a patriarchal memeset"
you twit, she was trying to advertise her own radio show to a bunch of
people who weren't interested, and, what is more, found the very fact
that such a program existed at all offensive.  Sheesh.  If you're going
to crap on, at least crap on about something you know.

: I hope you don't think it nutcasely stupid (or else we may never get off
: this roundabout) but when you say 'wrong way' you reveal your support of
: the very 'right' MALE structures in place for male 'ways'. There is no
: right or wrong way of taking things.

At least we agree on something.

: There is the way it was intended, and the way it was taken. Both,
: often different, are equally important. But when the conversation 
: is between a man and a woman, the man takes his way to be the 
: 'right' way. This a fundamental conceptual flaw and there are 
: abysses to be breached. Make the jump. 

In this instance, the fact that the woman takes her way to be the right
way is okay?  Is this what you are saying?

: Give women their own thought-space. Give them room to take the 
: legitimacy you know they deserve. They will do it for themselves
: if you just get out of the way. Make the theory real.

What I don't like is when they are offered thought-space and decide to
garb the lot. And when yes-men like you back them up, and in so doing
fail to realise that this isn't a question of gender at all, but rather
a question of paranoia and inherent nastiness.

: If it sounds like nutcase ravings, just think this:

: maybe you aren't looking at it right.

Compare this with:

: But when the conversation 
: is between a man and a woman, the man takes his way to be the 
: 'right' way.

So you're saying you're right?

Dwayne.



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