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Newsgroups: aus.org.efa,alt.cyberpunk,alt.feminism,alt.rave
Subject: Re: and people wonder why im angry
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I have been watching this thread and I really have to jump in now and add 
my two cents worth.

FWIW I was privy to the original flame war between Rosie and some others 
on the ausrave mailing list (OK this is why its in alt.rave you lot who 
are complaining about it). Also, FWIW, I thought that Rosie _was_ 
unfairly attacked on the subject of her Radio documentary, and in a 
fairly ignorant way. I did not, however, see any attack on her for her 
feminism, but then after a bit I stopped reading very closely. Generally 
I have found that Rosie produces great radio documentaries that are 
spot-on (given the environment of produciton) in their analysis of the 
subject at hand.

BUT ... The whole point is, I think, that it is not ethically justifiable
to maintain that ALL critiques of your thought come, a priori (because
they are critiques of your thought) from a patriarchial structure, whilst 
engaging in many of the same tatics you are accusing that patriarchial 
structure of using. Which is to say, Rosie engages in a totalised 
discourse whereby she is the ONLY magickal holder to the key of all of 
feminism.

My point is, Rosie has an online history of responding to legitimate
criticism with personal attacks and engaging in the very tactics
described, i.e. she attempts to delegitimise the other's position in
totality, and she also wrongfully paints her position (on _anything_) as a
totalised "feminist" position (i.e. one that ALL feminists must hold, by
deafult). If you're a woman then you're sleeping with the enemy, and can't
possibly hold any feminist views. Many of her criticisms are valid, yes,
but they are not total in their application, and nor should that preclude 
the opening up of these criticisms to debate.

ciao, scot.


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