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Article #117Re: Why paint items in historic liveries?
From: Greg Rudd
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:17
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 07:17
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Terry Flynn says: > > > > "Hunslet" <hunslet@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:tkji71hre02934ies2hn4h8jmolueb8mi0@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:50:33 +1000, Roy Wilke wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >I sit corrected -- I assumed that 3801 Ltd was a private railway >> >operator, >> >> Yes, 3801 Limited is a "private operator" using a mixture of rolling >> stock on loan from StateRail and some stock owned outright (such as >> d/e locos 4908 & 4918). These items are not bound by heritage >> requirements. Thus it can, and has, painted the 49 class in >> non-standard liveries. 4916 with the RTM is regarded as the >> "heritage" representative of the class but if my memory is correct, >> that unit was donated outright by Freight Rail Corporation to the RTM >> and so there is no compulsion for it to stay in "heritage" colours - >> in this case, a modified candy. >> >> >> >Terry's apparent assertion that only he and he alone knows what colour >> >3801 ought to be painted in was starting to irk me. >> > > But I have had access to the correct colour. Don't you want to know the > correct colour? > >> Just what is/are the "correct" heritage colour/s cannot be simply >> resolved. I had this problem with the painting of heritage electric >> locomotive 4638. There just were no precise records. Colour slides >> were unreliable. I finally arranged for an external paint scrape and >> we worked off that. No one could advise the original internal >> colours and so I had to take an educated guess based on written >> reports of the time. (Dsicussions with older drivers gave differing >> responses!). The arm-chair "experts" tell me that this is wrong, or >> that is wrong, but it is up to them to prove their assertions to my >> satisfaction. >> > > > My 38 colour is based on paint off the prototype. No arm chairing in this > case. > Bully for you!! Are we meant to be impressed by this statement?? Which you continually remind us of ad infanitum. >> >BTW, wasn't there a period during WW2 that NSW's streamlined Pacifics >> >were painted in what would now be called a "low-visibility stealth" grey >> >paint scheme? >> >> Yes, but it was simply grey undercoat. War-time difficulties! >> >> Hunslet. >> > > I will speculate that it was more likely either a grey being used by the > Navy at the time or the dark grey used on goods wagons. (no documentary > evidence to support either theory). My evidence is a colour print from a > book published in 1946. > Which being from a print published in a book would be of dubious worth except as a record,but you knew that, expert. On this one I would put my money on Pete's explanation pending new evidence if it comes to light.
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