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"Hunslet" <hunslet@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:11:45 +1000, mark_newton
> <mark_newton@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Greg Rudd wrote:
> >
> > >> I will speculate that it was more likely either a grey being used
> > >> by the Navy at the time or the dark grey used on goods wagons. (no
> > >> documentary evidence to support either theory). My evidence is a
> > >> colour print from a book published in 1946.
> >
> > > Which being from a print published in a book would be of dubious
> > > worth except as a record,but you knew that, expert. On this one I
> > > would put my money on Pete's explanation pending new evidence if it
> > > comes to light.
> >
> >Once again Greg, our "friend" demonstrates how little he understands
> >about colour printing, and it's limitations.
>
>
> I will have to support Mark.   I have had a look at the particular
> book and the illustration.   Despite the indication that it is a
> "natural" colour photo, I would have to question this as it appears to
> have been hand tinted.
>

Mark Newton has demonstrated and addmitted he now's nothing about the colour
of the 38 class locomotive. His opinion should be treated as irrelevent, he
is a bitter and twisted bully.  The process is largely irrelevent in this
case, as we are talking about Grey. The print clearly shows carriages in
russet and red, the red is a good representation. Thus we have more
reference points compared to black and white prints.

> For those who wish to check it out, the book is "The Australian Book
> of Trains", by J H & W D Martin, published by Angus & Robertson in
> 1947 and the colour plate, described as - The "Newcastle Flyer" on
> Hawkesbury Bridge, natural colour photo by Don Martin) is facing page
> 226.  The book is thought to be the first "real" publication on
> Australian railways.
>
> This particular photograph shows 3801 to be quite a dark gray, whilst
> other black and white photos suggest that the gray is considerably
> lighter.
>
> Hunslet
>

It depends on which black and white prints you look at. It's a problem with
black and white prints, to work out how dark or light the grey is. This is
why this colour print is more useful. It clearly shows the grey to be
reasonably dark, could be a result of in service dirt. However  3801 is
slightly lighter than the carriage red, and lighter than the dirty carriage
roofs, indicating a reasonably clean locomotive and tender. It's much darker
than cement grey of the bridge abutments. With the absence of alternative
evidence, this is the best reference I have to the colour used. It's more
useful than Mark Newton's nothing.


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Terry Flynn


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