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On Dec 22, 5:52 am, "Danie...@teranews.com"
<d...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a
> decision being made to go with "James T Kirk" or was it a simple typing
> error (the "R" is next to the "T" on a keyboard) and money was so tight
> that nobody bothered fixing the typo??


It's such a bear getting those tombstones into the typewriter...

On Dec 22, 4:52 am, "Danie...@teranews.com"
<d...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> Visiting Sister for the holiday season. Happened to be watching T.V. and
> they were showing "Where no man has gone before".
>
> One of the Crew, Lt Gary Mitchell, gains super (God-like) powers, as
> does Dr Elizabeth Dehner (eventually). In the near-final scene,
> Elizabeth semi-disables Gary, so Kirk can have some chance in the fight,
> but Gary regains his super-powers and creates a "grave" for Kirk,
> complete with headstone that reads "James R Kirk"
>
> Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a
> decision being made to go with "James T Kirk" or was it a simple typing
> error (the "R" is next to the "T" on a keyboard) and money was so tight
> that nobody bothered fixing the typo??
>
> Follow-Up set to aus.sf
>
> Daniel

This was the first episode. It did indeed come prior to the decision
to make Kirk's middle name Tiberius.

Gary Mitchell may have had super powers, but he didn't necessarily
know Kirk's middle name. ;)

On Dec 22, 5:52 am, "Danie...@teranews.com"
<d...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a
> decision being made to go with "James T Kirk" or was it a simple typing
> error (the "R" is next to the "T" on a keyboard) and money was so tight
> that nobody bothered fixing the typo??


Those tombstones are a bear to get into the typewriter.

In article <lElQo.1037$jj5.801@newsfe03.iad>,
 "Daniel47@teranews.com" <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:

> Visiting Sister for the holiday season. Happened to be watching T.V. and 
> they were showing "Where no man has gone before".
> 
> One of the Crew, Lt Gary Mitchell, gains super (God-like) powers, as 
> does Dr Elizabeth Dehner (eventually). In the near-final scene, 
> Elizabeth semi-disables Gary, so Kirk can have some chance in the fight, 
> but Gary regains his super-powers and creates a "grave" for Kirk, 
> complete with headstone that reads "James R Kirk"
> 
> Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a 
> decision being made to go with "James T Kirk" or was it a simple typing 
> error (the "R" is next to the "T" on a keyboard) and money was so tight 
> that nobody bothered fixing the typo??
> 
> Follow-Up set to aus.sf
> 
> Daniel

Short answer: Nobody knows for sure.

There really isn't any doubt that Kirk's name was always James Tiberius 
Kirk, since the early show bibles mention it, and, IIRC, "Tiberius" was 
the middle name in place while "James" and "Kirk" were still in flux.

So I'd go with 'mistake'

-- 
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"

On Dec 22, 11:26 am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:

> There really isn't any doubt that Kirk's name was always James Tiberius
> Kirk, since the early show bibles mention it,

And here I thought this was something that came into being from a
letter of Gene Roddenberry to a fan after the original series had
ended its run. Memory plays its tricks...

John Savard

"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ANIM8Rfsk-9819D0.11260722122010@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> In article <lElQo.1037$jj5.801@newsfe03.iad>,
>  "Daniel47@teranews.com" <dxmm@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Visiting Sister for the holiday season. Happened to be watching T.V. and
> > they were showing "Where no man has gone before".
> >
> > One of the Crew, Lt Gary Mitchell, gains super (God-like) powers, as
> > does Dr Elizabeth Dehner (eventually). In the near-final scene,
> > Elizabeth semi-disables Gary, so Kirk can have some chance in the fight,
> > but Gary regains his super-powers and creates a "grave" for Kirk,
> > complete with headstone that reads "James R Kirk"
> >
> > Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a
> > decision being made to go with "James T Kirk" or was it a simple typing
> > error (the "R" is next to the "T" on a keyboard) and money was so tight
> > that nobody bothered fixing the typo??
> >
> > Follow-Up set to aus.sf
> >
> > Daniel
>
> Short answer: Nobody knows for sure.
>
> There really isn't any doubt that Kirk's name was always James Tiberius
> Kirk, since the early show bibles mention it, and, IIRC, "Tiberius" was
> the middle name in place while "James" and "Kirk" were still in flux.
>
> So I'd go with 'mistake'

Nope.The Kirk parents called their twin sons "James T Kirk" and "James R
Kirk", so that really the grave of Enterprise Kirk's twin brother
(unfortunately he was the one who could act and sing).  ;-)

This topic is new and exciting.

On Dec 22, 12:26 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> So I'd go with 'mistake'

Mistake or not, it's now canon that one of Kirk's middle initials is
R.  It's hard to change these things once they're literally etched in
stone (or styrofoam, as the case may be).

In article 
<cbeb1f7f-5db0-443e-b7e1-419def260103@w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
 Graeme <graemecree@aol.com> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 12:26�pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > So I'd go with 'mistake'
> 
> Mistake or not, it's now canon that one of Kirk's middle initials is
> R.  It's hard to change these things once they're literally etched in
> stone (or styrofoam, as the case may be).

Well, that's 'cause his full name is James Tiberius Roy Kirk (Nomad was 
closer than he realized).

-- 
"Please, I can't die, I've never kissed an Asian woman!"
Shego on "Shat My Dad Says"

On Dec 22, 5:31 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> Well, that's 'cause his full name is James Tiberius Roy Kirk (Nomad was
> closer than he realized).

Yeah, perfect!  The R is canon, but the Roy is NEAR canon, as far as
I'm concerned!

On 12/22/2010 6:31 PM, Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> Well, that's 'cause his full name is James Tiberius Roy Kirk (Nomad was
> closer than he realized).
>

LOL

In article <lElQo.1037$jj5.801@newsfe03.iad>
"Danie...@teranews.com" <d...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
>
> Given this was an early episode (or second Pilot), was this prior to a
> decision being made to go with "James T Kirk"

It was the second pilot, and many things were different:
no Dr. McCoy, different weapons, different junior officers
etc. No need to have an extensive "bible" until the series
was approved. That's why the things/people in it aren't
identical to the first pilot either.

In article
<8a663ecb-5e2e-4b6b-8eb5-717e3a8dbeb0@j29g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Graeme <graemecree@aol.com> wrote:

> On Dec 22, 5:31=A0pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Well, that's 'cause his full name is James Tiberius Roy Kirk (Nomad was
> > closer than he realized).
> 
> Yeah, perfect!  The R is canon, but the Roy is NEAR canon, as far as
> I'm concerned!

Nope, it's not Roy. 

Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)

ToolPackinMama wrote:
> This topic is new and exciting.

(No Smiley face, so I'm guessing you're being fair dinkum!)

Glad you appreciated it!!

Daniel

On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)

Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.

On Dec 23, 2:19 am, SparkoHeaps <sparkohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary Mitchell may have had super powers, but he didn't necessarily
> know Kirk's middle name. ;)

Why add an initial if you don't know it?

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On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
> On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)
>
> Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.


Maybe it's Randy

On Dec 10, 12:25 pm, gkrts <gk...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
>
> > On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)
>
> > Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.
>
> Maybe it's Randy

Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.

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= DUG.
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On Dec 10, 12:25 pm, gkrts <gk...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
>
> > On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)
> > Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.
> Maybe it's Randy

It's not "James R. Kirk" it's are "James'R'Kirk".  A store you can by
a Jame from.

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Duggy wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:25 pm, gkrts<gk...@iinet.net.au>  wrote:
>> On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
>>>> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)
>>> Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.
>> Maybe it's Randy
>
> It's not "James R. Kirk" it's are "James'R'Kirk".  A store you can by
> a Jame from.
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===

No, Duggie, I suppose if I were to be really picky, the Tombstone just 
had "James R Kirk", i.e. no full stop, no inverted commas!!

(Interesting, as I went to send this, the spellchecker came up, offering 
"Druggie" as an option for "Duggie!!)

Daniel

On Dec 12, 9:39 pm, "Danie...@teranews.com"
<d...@albury.nospam.net.au> wrote:
> Duggy wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 12:25 pm, gkrts<gk...@iinet.net.au>  wrote:
> >> On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:
> >>>> Obviously, being Christmas, it must be James Tiberius Rudolph Kirk.  ;-)
> >>> Okay, so come January, it's Roy again.
> >> Maybe it's Randy
> > It's not "James R. Kirk" it's are "James'R'Kirk".  A store you can by
> > a Jame from.

> No, Duggie,

Duggy.

> I suppose if I were to be really picky, the Tombstone just
> had "James R Kirk", i.e. no full stop, no inverted commas!!

Whoosh.

> (Interesting, as I went to send this, the spellchecker came up, offering
> "Druggie" as an option for "Duggie!!)

Interesting how?

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= DUG.
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Duggy wrote:
> On Dec 12, 9:39 pm, "Danie...@teranews.com"
> <d...@albury.nospam.net.au>  wrote:
>> Duggy wrote:
>>> On Dec 10, 12:25 pm, gkrts<gk...@iinet.net.au>    wrote:
>>>> On 24/12/2010 12:03 PM, Graeme wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, your.n...@isp.com (Your Name) wrote:

<Snip>

>> No, Duggie,
>
> Duggy.
>
>> I suppose if I were to be really picky, the Tombstone just
>> had "James R Kirk", i.e. no full stop, no inverted commas!!
>
> Whoosh.
>
>> (Interesting, as I went to send this, the spellchecker came up, offering
>> "Druggie" as an option for "Duggie!!)
>
> Interesting how?
>
> ===
> = DUG.
> ===

O.K., Duggy, so if I had gotten your name right, the spellchecker 
problem wouldn't have occured!!

Daniel