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Article #273[S] Plea for survey samples
From: Jan Brogger
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:49
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 07:49
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I've looked around for S-PLUS code that estimates models (e.g. GLM) from survey sample data that are weighted. This is an old debate. There doesn't seem to be a way to do this. I'd like to plead with some of the hot shots and brainiacs on this list. You can do so much with S-PLUS, but you can't even handle a simple random survey with different selection probabilities ? My data are from a simple random sample postal survey where a simple random sample of the initial postal nonresponders were selected for telephone followup. I've done a lot of work in S-PLUS, but have to convert Stata to estimate the final models. S-PLUS is elegant, the code is relatively low maintenance, its graphs are production quality, you can interface with Latex and PDF. If you want, you can estimate more advanced models including overdispersion and GAMs. Stata has neither of these. Stata is fine if you have simple models. But including three-way interactions or splines makes Stata walk through uncharted territory, and it is just not elegant. As a first step, I'd like to propose a group that will add to S-PLUS the possibility of doing a GLM with with correct variance estimates that has a) unequal selection probabilities (fractional weighting) and/or b) clustering. If somebody tell me what to do, and they can look over my shoulder, I will write it. Some have said that all the survey people use SAS anyway. Well, that may be true if you just want GLMs and means and proportions. But shouldn't we bring the survey sample people into the S-PLUS fold? There is lots more to statistics than this. I'm sure that the leading edge of survey sampling people will take up on S-PLUS and use its powers. Then this will "trickle down" to the grunts (like me) in time. Yours, Jan Brogger, University of Bergen, Norway --------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was distributed by s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu. To unsubscribe send e-mail to s-news-request@lists.biostat.wustl.edu with the BODY of the message: unsubscribe s-news ---
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fa931,6efe3bd2f64ff0e9,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfa931,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-07 00:54:21 PST Newsgroups: aus.stats.s Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.usyd.edu.au!news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!cmis.csiro.au!owner-s-news From: jan.brogger@med.uib.no (Jan Brogger) Subject: [S] Plea for survey samples X-Nntp-Posting-Host: snowy.nsw.cmis.csiro.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <01C11F25.9A1E1BC0.jan.brogger@med.uib.no> X-Reply-To: "jan.brogger@med.uib.no" <jan.brogger@med.uib.no> Sender: majordomo@mailhost.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CSIRO Australia X-To: "S-NEWS (E-post)" <s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:49:29 GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft-program for e-post for Internett/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Content-Length: 2076 X-Precedence: bulk X-Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:44:50 +0200 Lines: 37