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In article <peterj.722160609@infs1> peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
>Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
>Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
>the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
>The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.
>

Something like this i guess..

	4295/0.70 = 6135.71

	@33 1/3%  ~ 2045.00 (profit etc..)

	Total =  $8180

	I guess the difference is shipping.. etc.. 

Sun like all companies needs to make a profit too..(that inclues Sun Australia)

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In article <peterj.722160609@infs1> peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
>Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
>Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
>the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
>The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.

Gee, I'm surprised at the difference in price. Even accounting for the higher
cost of doing business here in Oz, lower Aussie dollar and sales tax, it still
doesn't add up. What more, I believe the C Compiler doesn't come with it. You
have to buy it additionally. It is sad, but I think Sun has gone the way of
the _big_ computer companies and forgotten its early days and grass-root
support :-(


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>>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:46:10 GMT, raob@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (richard oxbrow) said:
>> Something like this i guess..
>> 	4295/0.70 = 6135.71
>> 	@33 1/3%  ~ 2045.00 (profit etc..)
>> 	Total =  $8180

The fallacy here is that you are taking the US retail (which already
includes profit margin etc) and adding yet another another 1/3 gross
margin.

A better bet would be to assume local margin is about comparable to
the US:

	4295 / .68 (Aussie dollars!) ~= 6329
	Shipping (*): 			 500 
	Aust theoretical RRP (ex tax)	6999
	Actual rrp		       ~9500 ex, or ~11,400 tax paid.

(* this is for airfreight; I bet it would be less than that by the
containerload)

Now the most expensive 486DX66 I have seen in the Green Guide is
around $5k tax paid, or well under half the cost of the Classic.  How
can they possibly claim these things are price competitive?  Add
Solaris (for < $1k) and you are running the _same_ software, and still
about half the price!

All of which indicates that the local prices on these units are
probably dicsountable, unlike the U.S.

As an aside, I was very, very impressed with the architecture of the
SS2000.  Comes with 256Mb of RAM, minimum! Not cheap, but.

Greg.
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In article <peterj.722160609@infs1>, peterj@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Peter E. Jones) writes:
|> Has anyone got any joy out of Sun on how they have arrived at their
|> Australian discounted (sic) price for the Classic?  In the US
|> the list price for the Classic is U$4,295 and edu at U$3,356.
|> The Oz price of A$8,500 hardly makes it competitive with other choices.
|> 
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Agreed. This is supposed to be the extra low cost colour system but in
fact we have been able to purchase a colour IPC for a lower cost for at
least the last six months. I know that our dollar is down to .78US but
a 250% markup is ridiculous. One point is that the US$3,356 is for the 15"
colour system which SUN OZ does not seem to be supporting so that would
add $1,000 to the cost.

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robert@gollum.cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Robert Ruge) writes:

>Agreed. This is supposed to be the extra low cost colour system but in
>fact we have been able to purchase a colour IPC for a lower cost for at
>least the last six months. I know that our dollar is down to .78US but
>a 250% markup is ridiculous. One point is that the US$3,356 is for the 15"
>colour system which SUN OZ does not seem to be supporting so that would
>add $1,000 to the cost.

Kel Jones (Sun Aus. Marketing) told me at the Melbourne launch last week that
the 1024x768 monitor was not being sold in Australia as they could not get a
Southern hemisphere version. This may change later. This is not a straight
VGA monitor, however, as it has a DB13W3 connector, so as to supply ID
information to the system.

Given that the signals are otherwise similar, it may be possible to hardwire
a DB13W3 to SVGA adapter.

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