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Article #28777Re: cs.utexas.edu discrimination charged
From: Fletcher Mattox
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:00
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:00
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[ This a followup to many identical (yet un-crossposted) articles in a wide range of newsgroups. I've tried to identify them all and to redirect followups to austin.internet. --Fletcher ] In article <45efns$p1h@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Cyronwode <cyronwode@aol.com> wrote: > Excuse me? You have blocked your PUBLIC gateway to AOL users? Catherine, I suspect the above misunderstanding lies at the heart of your post. If so, let me make this real clear from the start: Our mail-to-news gateway is not PUBLIC (or even public). It never has been and never will be. I designed it many years ago at the request of our local user community. Some of them preferred an email interface to USENET because they felt the traditional UNIX news posters were awkward. At the time, it seemed like a useful hack so I provided it. However, the software had no access control; anyone with email connectivity could use it. Over the years knowledge of our gateway spread slowly around the network. This was mostly by word of mouth. More recently it has been accelerated by (unsolicited and unauthorised) references in books, mailing lists, and on USENET itself. When people asked me if they could use it (back in the old days, folks were polite about using resources which did not belong to them), I agreed. We had the resources so why not share? My only condition: don't do anything that would embarrass the University of Texas. The point is: I have never, ever, advertised this gateway in a public forum. This is not a public gateway, even if some of the public thinks it is. If you feel that AOL (or any random organisation) has the *right* to use our computing facilities, then you are mistaken. >The real point is this: as a public institution, supported by tax-payers' >(local, state and federal) money, you are telling me that you are unfairly >and without forewarning discriminating against portions of the public >simply because of the name of their carrier, With regard to why aol.com is blocked, the straw that finally broke this camel's back was a particularly aggressive spam of over 1000 newsgroups from an AOL address which brought our gateway to its knees last February. (Not to mention my mailbox which had overflowed with messages from very angry USENETers.) When I complained to the AOL administrators, they agreed I should block all future posts from AOL. In fact, if memory serves me, *they* requested the action. Even if they hadn't, I would have done it anyway. Moreover, I reserve the right to block anyone from using our gateway if I think it will reflect poorly on the University or the Department of Computer Sciences. This policy has the full support of the Department and will not change. Sorry. >WITHOUT TELLING THEM SO, and >without allowing them to protest this unannounced practice in any way. Hm. You seem to have found a way to protest this unannounced practice. :-) More seriously, I agree that this is a little rude. I don't like doing it. Maybe I can find some time to change its behaviour in the future, but that approach is not without problems too. (Did I mention this was unsupported software?) On the other hand, when you inquired about your "lost" posts, I answered your query honestly, quickly, and politely. I even suggested an alternative. I assume you haven't forgotten that--after all you posted my email all over USENET. By the way, our gateway averages about ten posts per day from AOL addresses. (And several hundred on spam days.) They are all dropped on the floor. This has been going on since last February when I blocked AOL. How many inquiries have I received about "lost" posts over this time period? Exactly two. Yours was the second. I find this amazing. It's all junk mail to most AOLers--no one cares enough to inquire. They just keep sending mail into a black hole, perhaps with the eventual expectation that it will magicly start working. > ... you are about four months behind the times as far as >AOL being the domain from which most spam and forgeries are currently >sent; I agree with you (in part) here, too. AOL administrators have become much more responsive to USENET abuse than they were a year or so ago. I'm *very* grateful for that. In fact, I probably would have lifted the block on AOL if you had asked nicely rather than attempting to bully and intimidate me. Fletcher
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101d32,37965a39b493034a X-Google-Attributes: gid101d32,public X-Google-Thread: 1139f4,a66a81315182fe4f X-Google-Attributes: gid1139f4,public X-Google-Thread: ffea8,37965a39b493034a X-Google-Attributes: gidffea8,public X-Google-Thread: 113866,396979f44c3da610 X-Google-Attributes: gid113866,public From: fletcher@cs.utexas.edu (Fletcher Mattox) Subject: Re: cs.utexas.edu discrimination charged Date: 1995/10/11 Message-ID: <45hf4f$fis@gasket.cs.utexas.edu> X-Deja-AN: 117374347 references: <45efns$p1h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin followup-to: austin.internet newsgroups: austin.internet,news.admin.misc,austin.politics,austin.talk