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I'm not going to sit here as a long term respected local internet
person gets attacked. "Nuff notice, read on...


cyronwode@aol.com (Cyronwode) wrote:
>University of Texas (cs.utexas.edu) Discrimination Charged
>
>The following exchange of e-mail exposes misuse of public funds at a State
>University. It concerns all 3.5 million AOL users and countless others who
>post to the internet from commercial domains.
>

The following is one person's reply to an outrageous situation brought
about by another whining AOL user. And my opinions alone!!

When ISP's gets its user out of diapers, and into a clue bag, mabye folks
will view them differently.

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>
>> From Cyronwode@aol.com Mon Oct  9 17:47:10 1995
>>
>> 12 hours ago i tried to post to the newsgroup alt.lucky.w by using the
>> public e-mail gateway address alt-lucky-w@cs.utexas.edu.
>> I sent other messages directly to the group at the same time via
>> my AOL (aol.com) usenet connection. The AOL messages
>> showed up in the newsgroup within minutes, but the messages sent
>> to the group via the gateway @cs.utexas.edu
>> have not shown up yet. Nor have they bounced back to me.
>>
>> How long is a reasonable time to wait before concluding that this
>experiment
>> was a failure?
>>
using AOL is a failure.....alt groups are a joke anyway. Get a real newgroup

>> Any reply would be appreciated.
>>
>> catherine yronwode
>> cyronwode@aol.com
>
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>
>Subj:  No Subject
>Date:  Mon, Oct 9, 1995 6:24 PM PDT
>From:  fletcher@cs.utexas.edu
>X-From: fletcher@cs.utexas.edu (Fletcher Mattox)
>To: Cyronwode@aol.com
>CC: postmaster@cs.utexas.edu, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com
>
>Catherine, our gateway has been the target of so much abuse
>(forgeries, spam, multi-level marketing scams, advertising,
>and just plain clueless posts to inappropriate newsgroups)
>by AOL users that I have blocked all mail from that domain.
>Why not ask AOL administrators to carry alt.lucky.w rather
>than depend on our gateway?
>

Note what Fletcher says: their gateway!! Any site administrator
has every right to do with their gateways as they see fit, and in
how their [company|institution|gov't branch] clooses to run
their equipment.

Mabye if AOL handed out net.cluebags with their copious disks
that I keep micriwaving, and mailing back to them they'd have a better
reputation. Mabye not..

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>
>[from catherine yronwode (cyronwode@aol.com) to fletcher@cs.utexas.edu
>(Fletcher Mattox)]:
>
>Excuse me? You have blocked your PUBLIC gateway to AOL users?
>
Please cite relevant law that property of a university is public. Be
sure to be specific.

>In the first place, i can easily access alt.lucky.w from AOL's gateway.
>That's not the point.
>

Sure it is, if you don't want to be labelled as an AOLuser, then post via
an anon mailer. Or would you be threatehing the folks in the Finish
operations as well?

>In the second place, you are about four months behind the times as far as
>AOL being the domain from which most spam and forgeries are currently
>sent; my own experience shows Prodigy leading AOL in commercial sex spam
>by about 100-to-1 at the present time. That's not the point, either.
>

Not by many postmaster/hostmasters accounts. Most of us running net.sites
for more than 10 years have all had multiple abusive sessions with
users from some of the public providers. AOL by and far continues
to be the worst!

>The real point is this: as a public institution, supported by tax-payers'
>(local, state and federal) money, you are telling me that you are unfairly
>and without forewarning discriminating against portions of the public
>simply because of the name of their carrier, WITHOUT TELLING THEM SO,  and
>without allowing them to protest this unannounced practice in any way.

To take advantage of someone else's equipment without unauthorized access
approval is in almost every state, a misdemeanor to felony charge. Fletcher:
time to see the UT lawyers. You've got an admitted abuser of your kind
service.

>
>Be advised that in rural areas, such as mine, AOL is the only service
>provider with a local number.

So is 1-800-CLUEBAG, check it out, worth a few minutes.

>
>Be advised that due to your actions, i lost two posts i wrote -- thus you
>have destroyed my time, the only thing that is truly mine. You vaporized
>these posts unilaterally, without telling.me. You did not provide the
>normal internet courtesy of bouncing them back so that i could resend them
>via AOL and if i had not inquired about their status, i would have never
>known that you destroyed them.

If you are so inanely naive to believe that anything you place into the
(semi)-public gateways is truely yours(and yours alone) then 1-800-CLUEBAG
won't be enough to help you. They're not your service provider, AOL is.

Complain to AOL that their lousy management or users has made their service
something you get tagged by, and that net.sites are refusing connections from
them. Better yet, go sue AOL for breach of contract for not providing you
unlimited access to every-single-host-on-the-internet.

>
>Be advised that as a responible citizen who has done no wrong and who pays
>taxes for the support of pubic educational institutions, i take this
>discrimination against myself very personally.
>

I pay taxes as well. You're being way too serious, Why not go to IRC
and bother someone there!!

>1)
>I am hereby formally requesting a list of ALL domains which you block from
>access to the gateway @cs.utexas.edu.
>

I'd tell you exactly where to go. Got a court-order? While you're at it,
why don't you get a court-order to AOL for violation of First-Amendment
rights(recent email spying allegations).

>2)
>I am hereby formally requesting the name of your supervisor, if any, or
>the person who has authorized this blockage-by-domain, if any other than
>yourself.
>

Cool, Try the chancelor's office at UT. They care(tm).

>3)
>I am hereby formally requesting the name or names of those who instituted
>the policy of refusing to send "mail refused" or other appropriate "bouncd
>mail" messages to senders whose posts have been blocked-by-domain without
>their knowledge.
>

Domain's that don't behave well are punished by the net.communitity as a
whole every day. There is no reason why your request is either logical,
nor backed up by any legal fact that Fletcher(or the mgmt) should have to
cave into your whining. In fact, by posting to many groups seperately,
I'm going to bill you for the disk space you took up in multiple directories
as a result of your whining ;> . 1-800-GET-LIFE ring a bell??

>4)
>I am hereby formally requesting information on the percentage of the
>Univeristy of Texas computer sciences department budget that is derived
>from public (local, state, and federal) funds.

See the FIA for information on how to receive such information.
(FIA= Freedom of Information Act). Fill out the forms, live the
experience.

>
>I am taking it upon myself to expose your unfair practices and to bring to
>public light your egregious discrimination against those who are too poor
>to have their own corporate internet access, too independent-minded to
>suck at the teat of an .edu account, and too rural to get anything but AOL
>without paying long-distance fees.
>

Fletcher has for many many years been one of the most rock-stable influences
on the internet here in austin, as well in the online communitity as a whole
I DEMAND you apologize for you whining, and sue the government if you somehow
believe that you have a right to internet access. Or a driver's license, etc..!

>Change your policy or read about yourself in the Austin Chroncicle -- and
>all over the net.
>
Oooh, a threat, you've made so many I've lost count. Cool, be prepared to
be ripped to shreads here, and in the Letters-to-the editors as well.

>(Readers: Please forward to any and all individuals, media outlets, and
>usenet newsgroups you deem appropriate. I shall be posting this in as many
>of the administratively-oriented usenet newsgroups as i can. AOL personnel
>and AOL members: i advise you to contact Fletcher Mattox personally, with
>a CC to me.)

Cool, your sniveling whining is leading me to Cc: various mgmt folks at AOL.

go away.



>
>catherine yronwode
>cyronwode@aol.com
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