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resonance@uswest.net (resonance) wrote in 
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>Martin Hotze <martin@hotze.com> wrote in message
>news:394899C5.8DC830CB@hotze.com...
>> resonance wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > So I'm posting to az.config now....   How do we create this group???
>> >
>>
>> try: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
>> and: http://www.usenet.org/
>>
>> greetings,
>> Marty
>> --
>> Arizona links: http://www.arizona.org/
>> Flight school in AZ: http://www.sunbirdflight.com/
>
>

>Tried em''   no help...  the az groups are controlled by somebody
>seperately....
>
>C'mon people!!! Help me!!!
>Let's get az.adult up and running....
>
>resonance@uswest.net
>


It was extremely difficult in getting "az.sf" (SciFi) set up. I read all 
the technical notices and FAQ's.  I worked at it for over a year (95-96).  
I did manage to get a CFD and a CFV.   However the person running the vote 
used rules similar to the national groups (based on the population of 
Arizona).  I did not have time to rally enough votes by the time I learned 
the rules.  I sent out E-mail for the next year to try to make as many 
contacts to vote for the group as I could on the needed short notice.  By 
then it was difficult to try to find someone capable and recognized to set 
up the group to be able to re-try my next CFV a year later. It was 
stated/believed that their was one central person/group that controls az.* 
newsgroups.  That may be true.  But if there were I could only find one 
person and he was not always available or listened to.  By then a 
salesmanager at a larger ISP that I had talked to, just plain told their 
Newsgroup Administrator to set it up.  Newsgroup Administrators after 
setting up a newsgroup have a protocol to inform other Newsgroup 
Administrators that the new newsgroup is established and to please carry 
it.  The tough part is then getting them to actually do it.  Many ISP 
Newsgroup Administrators refuse.  Mostly it is ignored.  Some say, "The 
channel is not available." (?)  I suspect many don't know how.  If you get 
a large local ISP to set up a newsgroup they will often share their az.* 
newsgroup feed with several other ISP's.  After that you are dependent on 
subscribers of each ISP that want the newsgroup to contact their Newsgroup 
Administrator and request they carry it. (They need to know the original 
ISP that created it.)  ISP's mostly listen to their own subscribers, thus 
the group needs to be popular. Keep in mind that posts to newsgroups 
actually are duplicated to every subscribing ISP's newsgroup directory 
simultaneously, not a central location. That can take up a lot of room.  I 
still print up flyers at appropiate SF events explaining the az.sf 
newsgroup.   BTW: Does everyone reading this have access to az.sf?  If not, 
could you ask your Newsgroup Administrator to carry it.  It would benefit 
many other SF fans. Thank you.  

I would suggest you set up a FAQ for the proposed group.  You need solid 
logical responses to key questions.  "Why can't discussions under this 
group be handled under az.general?",  "What posts would be on topic for 
this newsgroup?",  "How many people would be interested in this 
newsgroup?", "Why not just set up a listserver instead of a newsgroup?", 
"Would this group be moderated?".  The comment that their is no way to 
answer to it is "It would take up too much bandwidth."  Once you have good 
solid answers to these questions revitalize a CFD in az.general.  Bring it 
to the attention of a large local ISP Newsgroup Administrator. 

az.sf was establish on 2/20/96 by Primenet.com

Good luck.

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From: Jim Strait
      E-Mail: Jim@Strait.org        
      WWW Home page: http://www.Strait.org/
      Phoenix, Arizona   USA