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Re: SF Bicyclist runs red light, seriously injures pedestrian

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From: Robert Neff
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 04:01
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Thanks for the sampling of data, JC.

I stop at red lights, and slow down and
prepare to stop at stop signs if it's not my
turn.

My experience on Foothill expressway in
the evening is that most of the cyclists stop,
but my sense is that red light running, and
right-turn/U-turn/right turn red light
avoidance has become more common amoung the racing/training
crowd this year, than has been in the past.
It is still low (less than 5 % of solo cyclists, maybe
only 2%.)  The guys I see (always guys) are on their
own, either with a fancy bike and matching kit, or
a fine italian steel racing bike and no helmet.
Well, that was probably 2 of the five people I've seen.
Cycling groups/clubs
do stop if the light is red, but become colorblind
when the light changes and their lead rider is arriving
at the intersection.  (This happens to my club, too, and
sometimes you hear amazing rationalizations for this.)

If you have a conversation starter for when you
catch up with one of these guys at the next light,
let me know.  We can always talk about our local
cycling fatalities and injuries from this kind of thing.

-- Robert
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